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Offline crabbit shaun

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can i reshell a car legally and keep the registration ?
« on: January 20, 2012, 01:27:50 AM »
now that my xr4x4 is finished and on the road and i cant decide what to do with my other sierra, i am gonna start and fix up my girlfriends car.
heres the bad bit, its not a ford  :( its a mini cooper ! she bought it brand new in 94 i think ? its an l reg and ran it up until about ten years ago when a bmw ran right up its arse and shortened  it by a couple of inches. she bought it back off the insurance and sat it aside hoping to fix it one day.
today i went and seen a wee 90 reg mini shell that i can get cheap, great wee shell but i dont know whether i can just transfer everything over to the new shell and put it in for a vic ? or do i have to go through loads of forms and paperwork to find out i cant do it legally ? i know i can just put it together and use the new shells id but would rather use the cooper one obviously. tbh was just gonna change the vin and numbers over but that is what they will be checking at the vic is it not ? would like to do it legally but if its not possible will need to sort out what to do  :'(



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Re: can i reshell a car legally and keep the registration ?
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2012, 06:47:51 AM »
Changing vin numbers is never legal.
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Re: can i reshell a car legally and keep the registration ?
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2012, 09:24:58 AM »
From what i was told by the dvla a few years back is that you can reshell a car, so long as 1. The new shell hasnt been filed as crushed 2. The chassis number is its own and not tampered with 3. You have the new chassis number put on the log book

That was a few years ago tho, rules might of changed
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Re: can i reshell a car legally and keep the registration ?
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2012, 11:49:17 AM »
I am with Matt on this one as that is how I understand it too.

Also I am pretty sure it will have to be checked over at a VOSA test station.

Best check with DVLA first & confirm.
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Re: can i reshell a car legally and keep the registration ?
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2012, 12:14:44 PM »
I looked into reshelling my mk1 4x4 into one of Simpsons shells about 3 years ago, the DVLA sent me a HUGE amount of paperwork and forms to go through..... you honestly wouldn't believe the amount of crap I got :laugh:

The general idea seems to be that as long as you do what Matt and Dave describe above you should be ok, but there is one provision that I was unsure about. You have to use at least 80% of the old car to be able to retain the reg number............ how on earth they would ever know this is beyond me, but I guess it gives them a handy get out clause if they feel they need it :rolleyes:  To make sure I showed I complied with this rule I was going to take as many pictures as I could throughout the build to show what had been used, and where it had come from ;)

Do what I did though and request the paperwork off the DVLA first, they don't charge for it, so it makes snes to scan through it and make sure you think you can comply befoer you spend any dosh.

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Re: can i reshell a car legally and keep the registration ?
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2012, 13:12:09 PM »
if its an old (pre registered) shell, then its illegal  :rolleyes:

if its a brand new replacement shell then you can keep the vehicle id and reg as far as i know  ;D

although in all fairness, most mini shells need welding anyway, so is it not worth repanelling the nudged shell you already have?
if so, use heritage panels for the best fit, although they cost more  :-[

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Re: can i reshell a car legally and keep the registration ?
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2012, 15:07:32 PM »

Hmmm it's not too clear?

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/+/www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicle/DG_10014199

You can defo do it if as we assume your only changing the shell & can prove everything else is orginal.

But not sure if you will be able to keep the orginal reg or end up with a Q plate.
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Re: can i reshell a car legally and keep the registration ?
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2012, 15:56:56 PM »
Like mk2 cossie says, I suspect that if you're using a shell from another car you'd have to use that reg. Brand new shells though it's definately possible....... whether or not the DVLA make it so hard to do as near impossible remains to be seen.

Could you Q plate it, and then put a private plate on it.................... :unsure:

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Re: can i reshell a car legally and keep the registration ?
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2012, 18:25:46 PM »
Registration number stays with the vin  - which stays with the shell - ID stays with the shell.

The only option is a new shell, and you have to have a bill of sale for that.

The car won't need a VIC if it was writen off some time ago.


You can't move an ID from one shell to another old shell.

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Re: can i reshell a car legally and keep the registration ?
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2012, 01:51:55 AM »
Unless they have changed it, you can't put a private plate on a Q reg car.  The Q is to make sure you can't hide the fact that the car was registered under "special" circumstances.
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Re: can i reshell a car legally and keep the registration ?
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2012, 11:43:38 AM »
Unless they have changed it, you can't put a private plate on a Q reg car.  The Q is to make sure you can't hide the fact that the car was registered under "special" circumstances.

Ah right ok, I have often wondered about that, ta :blink:

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Re: can i reshell a car legally and keep the registration ?
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2012, 13:37:16 PM »
Unless they have changed it, you can't put a private plate on a Q reg car.  The Q is to make sure you can't hide the fact that the car was registered under "special" circumstances.

Ah right ok, I have often wondered about that, ta :blink:

Yep, can't change the reg on a Q-plater.

Q's are given to cars of indeterminate age, most often cars built from multiple donors on a "New" Chassis , imports with no proof of build year, domestic cars where the original registration was lost and there is no proof of build year.

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Re: can i reshell a car legally and keep the registration ?
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2012, 00:54:10 AM »
I have found something that makes it clear.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/@en/@motor/documents/digitalasset/dg_180218.pdf

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can i reshell a car legally and keep the registration ?

If it was a new unregistered shell & you can prove it then YES.

A 2nd hand shell or one where the vin has already been recorded then NO.
If you can prove the car is not made up of stolen parts then it will be issued a Q plate.

That's how I read it anyways ;D
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Re: can i reshell a car legally and keep the registration ?
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2012, 19:49:51 PM »
thanks for all the help and advice guys, will check it out and see what i can find out. the original shell is gubbed, the roof is creased and the doors are tight to open and close, i am probably just going to rebuild the new shell with all the cooper stuff and use the new shells  vin number and registration as it is gonna get used, its not as if it was getting done for money. am i correct in thinking i can just build up the new shell and use its reg ? i have the v5 and the chassis number  :-

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Re: can i reshell a car legally and keep the registration ?
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2012, 20:52:45 PM »
I have found something that makes it clear.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/@en/@motor/documents/digitalasset/dg_180218.pdf

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can i reshell a car legally and keep the registration ?

If it was a new unregistered shell & you can prove it then YES.

A 2nd hand shell or one where the vin has already been recorded then NO.
If you can prove the car is not made up of stolen parts then it will be issued a Q plate.

That's how I read it anyways ;D

And that's exactly how it is.

The only grey area is cars that get modifed over a long period, but they are never subjected to a VIC. And they would be using the Shells REG.. If you make a MAJOR mod then it should be inspected for IVA and would get a Q-plate, but that does not happen.

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Re: can i reshell a car legally and keep the registration ?
« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2012, 08:57:00 AM »
I can't see it being an issue. The quest is the same as private plate transfer
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/PersonalisedRegAndNumberPlates/DG_4022576

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Re: can i reshell a car legally and keep the registration ?
« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2012, 20:22:23 PM »
It's not the same,

Your not reshelling a Cooper, your fitting cooper parts to whatever shell it is and to transfer the reg the donor car has to have been MOT'd within the last year.


So if you buy a MINT MINT MINT 1.6 LX Sapphy. You can't put your rotten Cosworth Running gear in it and claim the car is a Cosworth. If the Cosworth MOT expired over a year a go you can't transfer the reg.

What you have is a 1.6LX log book with 1.6LX reg, With Cosworth running gear. Not a cosworth.

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Re: can i reshell a car legally and keep the registration ?
« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2012, 22:15:55 PM »
checked the milage today, its only done 21k ! put some petrol down the carb and hooked up the jump leads (it's petrol tank is out as the back end is mangled) and it started  ;) am gonna just build it up on the replacement shells id, less hassle and we know its a cooper really. unless i try to get her to break it for parts to go towards my 3 door shell  ;) no one know any old xr4i's for restoring ?

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Re: can i reshell a car legally and keep the registration ?
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2012, 18:53:23 PM »
You could buy a brand new heritage shell.

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Re: can i reshell a car legally and keep the registration ?
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2012, 18:54:18 PM »
If you arms are long enough for your deep pockets.

http://www.bmh-ltd.com/minishell.htm

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Re: can i reshell a car legally and keep the registration ?
« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2012, 20:48:01 PM »
Ouch  :'( not cheap....

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