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Offline Jean-Francois

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« on: July 13, 2010, 20:46:00 PM »
Hello all,

While driving to the engine shop to pick up the modified cylinder heads for my 24V 4.0, my hood opened while driving around 120km/h. No need to say that my windscreen broke, my hood is bent like a banana and the roof is damaged by the shock (and I have some more gray hair).

I have a spare windshield, a spare hood so I can fix it, but the car is becoming more and more damaged (fuel smell, rotten whellarches, dents eveyrwhere,...), and I am currently considering buying another car instead to put the new engine in.

You will think this is a rather easy question, but it is not, Belgium being the country it is, some weird rules make my choice difficult.

- I pay 700 EUR a year for road tax if the car is not a utility vehicle or less than 25 years old
- registering a 'new' granada will cost me 1.500 EUR of ecotax on top of everything else
- if the car is less than 15 years old, then I pay more for the initial tax (more than 15 years is 62 EUR)

I can avoid all these taxes by registering a car older than 25 years old, or a utility vehicle. Soooo. Any idea of a car, which has been fitted with a Cologne V6, which is a utility vehicle or a car close to 25 years old or more.

The TVR S(1-2-3) looks good and seems light, the american Bronco or Ranger might be good as well, but I think it is a shame to put such an engine in a truck... I still have to see if I have the right to modify a scorpio estate as a utility vehicle.

I would be happy to hear your advice on this.

Thanks,

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Chevrolet Caprice station Wagon 1986 454 (MS2extra)
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« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2010, 21:54:28 PM »
How about a Transit?

If you have a crewcab you can even take the family (or your mates) for a spin.

Sierra P100? Although they were all 4 cylinders I think.

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« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2010, 22:17:19 PM »
What about a Capri? They are all older than 25 years and the cologne engine fits??
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« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2010, 23:35:25 PM »
Or even a Scimitar, they were fitted with the 2.8 and 2.9.
Drive it like you mean it!
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« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2010, 07:33:05 AM »
capri, taunus and granada.

i would buy a capri, but thats just me thinking......
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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2010, 07:39:19 AM »
Hello all,

thanks for the replies. Transit V6, P100 are very seldom on the mainland.

Capri seems the car to go for the engine. I spotted some for sale.

1) a 1977 S 2.0 V6 which has been rebuilt in 2005 for 4000 EUR
2) a 1983 genuine 2.8i which seems to be in pretty good state for 4000 EUR as well
3) a 1977 S 2.0 with a 2.8 and dual square headlights for about 4000 EUR
4) a 1982 2.0 S 4pot which has been rebuilt for slightly less money

I prefer to buy an original 6pot. The number 2 is the best has this is the biggest engine you can find in a MkIII, so easier to let think the custom/police/insurance you are running the correct engine. Number 1 has been rebuilt and the owner accept to put the car on a lift to verify everything.

So basically I need a budget of around 4K, which is OK with me if the state of the car is very good.

will continue to post on this thread when you the cars will have been inspected

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Chevrolet Caprice station Wagon 1986 454 (MS2extra)
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Dodge Daytona Turbo 1992 2.5 16V hybrid (MS2extra)

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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2010, 08:27:01 AM »
capri's mk3 start to get expensive and looking in the ad's, there arn't many for sale.
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« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2010, 21:15:51 PM »
Car nr 2 is clearly the best choice of the four cars!!

You have the best suspension and brakes you could get on a Capri with a good-looking Recaro interior, and the rear axle with the best cruising potential..

I recommend you to modify the brakes whatever Capri you buy, but if the 2.8i suspension‚‚žÂs ok, you only need to fit an axle location kit (and maybe poly bushes) and it will handle the abuse from your monster engine..  

The only thing you have to consider is the height of your engine. Would the intake manifold be much higher then the stock BOA/BOB manifold? It could foul the bonnet..
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« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2010, 22:40:45 PM »
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Car nr 2 is clearly the best choice of the four cars!!

I was supposed to see it today, but the guy sold it 1h before my arrival, so this won't be the 2.8i

I have to see car 1 on tuesday evening. It is currently fitted with a 2.3.

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You have the best suspension and brakes you could get on a Capri with a good-looking Recaro interior, and the rear axle with the best cruising potential..

I recommend you to modify the brakes whatever Capri you buy, but if the 2.8i suspension‚‚žÂs ok, you only need to fit an axle location kit (and maybe poly bushes) and it will handle the abuse from your monster engine..

I plan to drive it stock until my hearse (chevy caprice) is done. Then I will do the brake and suspension work, tune that, and finally go for the engine/transmission.

I can have some pretty stout american axles to be used instead of the original capri one. I can buy for a good price something similar to this: which should be good enough.

but first I want to drive the car stock, to learn how it behaves. My opel drivers friends are already telling me I will only be able to do donuts if I install my engine in a capri ;-)


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The only thing you have to consider is the height of your engine. Would the intake manifold be much higher then the stock BOA/BOB manifold? It could foul the bonnet..

I have a set of Jenveys. I plan to modify the intake to fit the wider 4.0 block.
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Ford Capri S 1977 2.3 (carb)
Chevrolet Caprice station Wagon 1986 454 (MS2extra)
Subaru Forester 2.0 S Turbo 1999
Subaru Legacy GT-B 2.0 (Jap specs) 1999
Dodge Daytona Turbo 1992 2.5 16V hybrid (MS2extra)

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« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2010, 08:04:01 AM »
i think that that axle will hit the fuel tank. there isn't alote off space between the axle and the fuel tank off a mk3. a 8 inch axle from a 65/66 mustang or a shortend 8.8 inch axle would be a beter idea.
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« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2010, 06:30:36 AM »
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i think that that axle will hit the fuel tank. there isn't alote off space between the axle and the fuel tank off a mk3. a 8 inch axle from a 65/66 mustang or a shortend 8.8 inch axle would be a beter idea.
Thx Paul for this, I will look at it when I have it.


That's it, I bought a Capri on Tuesday. A 1977 Mk II (Mk III look) 2.0S with a 2.3. I will gegt the car on Friday or Tuesday next week, the seller as to do the MOT before the sell.
Jeeze I will regret my BOA. I am selling it and other parts to have enough money to pay for the capri.

pics will follow in the next days.


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Ford Capri S 1977 2.3 (carb)
Chevrolet Caprice station Wagon 1986 454 (MS2extra)
Subaru Forester 2.0 S Turbo 1999
Subaru Legacy GT-B 2.0 (Jap specs) 1999
Dodge Daytona Turbo 1992 2.5 16V hybrid (MS2extra)

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« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2010, 08:14:48 AM »
Here it is!
I am until now very pleased, although brakes are really not as good as what I have in the scorpio :-)



Any one can link me to someone who upgraded the brakes to sierra cosworth specs? Can 15" fit under the wheelwell of a capri?
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Ford Capri S 1977 2.3 (carb)
Chevrolet Caprice station Wagon 1986 454 (MS2extra)
Subaru Forester 2.0 S Turbo 1999
Subaru Legacy GT-B 2.0 (Jap specs) 1999
Dodge Daytona Turbo 1992 2.5 16V hybrid (MS2extra)

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« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2010, 10:13:17 AM »
Ive got all the kit and will be putting it on next week - caprisport brembo 300 front brakes, sierra rear brakes and 15" rs 4 spokes - it wll be in my project thread soon

btw - great choice of car, very nice
« Last Edit: July 25, 2010, 10:14:58 AM by Janspeedcapri »

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« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2010, 11:28:43 AM »
you can make 18 inch wheels to fit under the capri. i have seen a few capri's with big wheels.

why dont look at wilwood brakes? http://www.rallydesign.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=562_563_567&products_id=3919]http://www.rallydesign.co.uk/product_info....roducts_id=3919

thats a nice kit for the money and for £411.40 (ad some brake pads and hoses £460,-) you cant mess around with second hand parts calipers and hubs like with the capri sport kit (complet kit £550, Disc and bracket kit from £220, but you still need to find the calipers, pads, brake hoses, ect. )

i would use the wilwood kit in the front, for the rear i would use the late type scorpio setup and use a scorpio booster and master cilinder (you need to modify the mounting points and modify the rod)
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« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2010, 16:15:45 PM »
I have to keep things OEM looking, so no grooves/holes discs, black calipers,.. . Improving brakes improves security, but you need Ford approval to do such modification otherwise the car will be refused at MOT. Stupid laws, I wish we would have something similar to T€™€¦‚Å“V in Belgium, at least they will look at what you did and give you an approval if it safe and properly done. In the eighties people were fitting read disc brakes from Golf II on Golf I, and MOT was giving them a hard time. I hope Europe will change that in the good direction.

My scorpio already has EBC discs at all corners. I will rebuilt the calipers and start from there. Caprisport website seems to have plenty of information on what matters most at first (brake, suspensions), so I will pay the club membership.

18" on a capri is really too much IMHO. I think 15", maybe 16" will be OK. the only things which matters for me is room for the calipers. The bigger the wheels the more likely you will dent them on the street or have a flat tire. I run 15" on the scorpio because I had to buy 2 tires in a year when running on 18".

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Ford Capri S 1977 2.3 (carb)
Chevrolet Caprice station Wagon 1986 454 (MS2extra)
Subaru Forester 2.0 S Turbo 1999
Subaru Legacy GT-B 2.0 (Jap specs) 1999
Dodge Daytona Turbo 1992 2.5 16V hybrid (MS2extra)

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« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2010, 23:49:17 PM »
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you can make 18 inch wheels to fit under the capri. i have seen a few capri's with big wheels.

why dont look at wilwood brakes? http://www.rallydesign.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=562_563_567&products_id=3919]http://www.rallydesign.co.uk/product_info....roducts_id=3919

thats a nice kit for the money and for £411.40 (ad some brake pads and hoses £460,-) you cant mess around with second hand parts calipers and hubs like with the capri sport kit (complet kit £550, Disc and bracket kit from £220, but you still need to find the calipers, pads, brake hoses, ect. )

i would use the wilwood kit in the front, for the rear i would use the late type scorpio setup and use a scorpio booster and master cilinder (you need to modify the mounting points and modify the rod)

Don't compare wilwood with brembo - how many car manufacturers fit wilwood to their high performance models?

As for it being worth messing with used parts, I have a pair of completely rebuilt and refinished brembo 4 pot calipers (as factory fitted to dozens of performance cars) for £130 and a few hours work. same with the back - bloke at caprisport even said get new ones they are only 200 a pair... bollocks!!! I got a pair off the bay for 26 and spent 12 on new seals. after another couple of hours of stripping cleaning painting and rebuilding they look and work as good as new for £38!!


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« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2010, 08:40:23 AM »
i never said brembo is bad. but i do compair the capri sport set with the wilwood set. in that case, wilwood is a very good option.

wilwood is a small company, thats specialist in aftermarked performance brakes. they dont produce in big numbers. ever took a good look at the parts wilwood uses? they have very high qualty standaards. i would not buy (for my cars) or advice wilwood to others, if they are rubbisch.

capri sport can be a good option, if you know what your doing and find and have the time to get your one parts and have them cleaned/rebuild/painted. i dont know how about you, maybe you work for free. but every hour i work, cost money.

i used them both sets on capri's, for the money and performance: wilwood.

greetz Paul.

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« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2010, 19:19:23 PM »
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maybe you work for free.
For myself? I do actualy   I'm generous like that   I just haven't the heart to charge myself, since I like myself so much... it wouldn't feel right, you know? ..especialy after myself bought me the calipers in the first place  
Seriously tho, Brembo are for supercars, and wilwood are for kit cars (light ones)
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« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2010, 20:05:00 PM »
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Seriously tho, Brembo are for supercars, and wilwood are for kit cars (light ones)

tell that to the u.s people that uses these brakes on there heavy cars or maybe you should ask the people that drive nascar race cars, maybe you should ask the people that do road and track races with those heavy cars. they seem to be happy with wilwood.  

there are also people that use them on the capri's, taunus and sierra's and race them   i have heard no complains yet.
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« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2010, 01:00:39 AM »
O.k   Jean Francois has a few options... and heres another   - I have (for sale) a set of Hispec billet 4 pots that bolt straight onto the struts, fit inside standard 13" wheels and work with standard master cylinder and servo. They will give better feel than standard brakes and dissipate heat better... pm for more info.

Paul, of course I was joking, I know Wilwood are good... didn't know they were used in serious motorsport tho

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« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2010, 06:54:01 AM »
Car is at a friend's house. It is carb and points engine close to prehistoric era, which I do not understand anything about.
For brakes I think from the parts I have the caprisport 280 is the best and cheapest I can do. Certailny for this winter.

Thanks for your inputs!
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Ford Capri S 1977 2.3 (carb)
Chevrolet Caprice station Wagon 1986 454 (MS2extra)
Subaru Forester 2.0 S Turbo 1999
Subaru Legacy GT-B 2.0 (Jap specs) 1999
Dodge Daytona Turbo 1992 2.5 16V hybrid (MS2extra)

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« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2010, 14:11:11 PM »
I use to run 260mm discs with Granada calipers behind 13"

Why not get some Mondeo V6 discs and calipers?

They are 280 mm diameter and cheap as chips.

You have to make a small bracket to make it work.

And maybe machine the hubs very slightly so the caliper will clear had to do this with the 260mm discs.

And 280mm fits snugly behind 15" wheels.

I'm running this on my Mk2 Escort with the Granada master cylinder and it stops on a dime.

No point for big brakes of you're not pushing the car 100% all the time. Just my thoughts though.

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« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2010, 17:08:05 PM »
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Why not get some Mondeo V6 discs and calipers?

They are 280 mm diameter and cheap as chips.

You have to make a small bracket to make it work.

Thats what hes planning - the caprisport 280 package is based on mondeo calipers with 280mm discs

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« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2010, 17:16:10 PM »
I thought it was planned on sierra cosworth 283mm? the granada cossie uses the same brakes only the bolt pattern is different, and I have EBC discs on it so hopefully I can do it for a decent price
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Chevrolet Caprice station Wagon 1986 454 (MS2extra)
Subaru Forester 2.0 S Turbo 1999
Subaru Legacy GT-B 2.0 (Jap specs) 1999
Dodge Daytona Turbo 1992 2.5 16V hybrid (MS2extra)

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« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2010, 18:02:58 PM »
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I thought it was planned on sierra cosworth 283mm?

Yeah, thats right, forgot  

 

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