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Offline Dave

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« on: July 23, 2009, 01:21:03 AM »
I have been preping a Jeep 4.0L for 2 American friends of mine for a 10,000mile trip across some of the worst roads in the world.

Anyway talk about bad luck.

Bought as a non runner.

Started work on it Monday, preped for M.O.T & traced non start to a faulty injector emulator on the LPG system.
Weds passed M.O.T but almost over heated which I found to be a leaky rad that was actually falling apart.
Thursday fitted new rad but no time to test.

Sunday started it to find water & steam clouds from the exhaust.
Pulled head to find a cracked combustion chamber & blown gasket.

Monday after a few calls it was obvious I was not gona get a head until Wednesday.

So I took the cowboy approach & welded the fecker.

Car left me Wednesday.

 

O.K car has currently travelled 800miles now.

How many miles do you think the head will last before it cracks again      
« Last Edit: July 23, 2009, 01:31:18 AM by Dave »


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« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2009, 08:41:52 AM »
To be honest I've not had any experience of welding heads up but personally as long as your welding is of an exceptable standard, I can see it making the whole trip.

I guess the element of doubt is from not preheating the pig iron first prior to welding?

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« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2009, 15:14:26 PM »
Was the head warped? Did you resurface it?
My brother had a 53 Nash Rambler (Nashcan) with a warped head. Flat head six. It was quicker and cheaper to replace the head gasket every couple of thousand miles than actually fixing the problem  
Too many variables. It should last long enough to get it replaced, or not.
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« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2009, 17:17:50 PM »
You miged  it wiv steel wire? probably not long then - no more than a 1200 mile i'd guess. whats the prize this time? a cup of tea?

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« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2009, 08:48:19 AM »
Well, my guesstimate is 2000 miles...  
For the prize...

How about a nice cold Strawberry milkshake?
Keep it very sideways..

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« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2009, 09:58:54 AM »
Well I did say it was not done right.  

Welded it with a crappy 130 amp mig.

I did pre-heat it but was told not to use any gas & yeah STD steel wire.

Engine wise Jeep still running sweet.

However the key fob has packed up & that is the only way to deactivate the STD immobliser so it is not actually running at all now.

Spent a hour & half on the phone last night talking two yanks through how to bypass the thing who have never done any electrical work on a car ever & one is colour blind  
That was fun  

Anyway we got as far as it starting up but then it dies 3 secs later.

Pump seems to work so I am lost now without being able to see it myself  

There mission today is to find someone who can fix it  

This is the crack I welded.
You can see it even went through the valve seats  

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« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2009, 17:47:16 PM »
To my untrained eye it don't look like it would make that much difference... but it obviously did

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« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2009, 19:28:46 PM »
they beter could have bought a ford........
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« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2009, 19:35:11 PM »
i recon a reach around would be a suitable prize

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« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2009, 21:40:41 PM »
Janspeedcapri
We tested it, that crack went halfway up the inlets & completely through the top of the combustion chamber into the water jacket.

That why it's only a matter of time but so far so good.

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they beter could have bought a ford........

Well Fords get slagged of a lot but they have not worked on a Jeep obviously  
I have took Fords across deserts, rivers, across mountain ranges, deep snow & rebuilt them on the side of the road.

Give me a Ford any day  

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i recon a reach around would be a suitable prize

No prizes as it's all for charity  , not a clue what you mean anyway?


Hour & half on the phone at 11Pm, again another half hour this mourning to figure out there is actually nothing wrong with the thing.

It was picking up interference from something close by that was jamming the fob signal.

They got it recovered to a few miles away & it worked again.

Happens a lot with these Jeeps so I am told.
If it goes again I have told them to push it down the road till it starts working again  
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« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2009, 00:53:21 AM »

They are in Germany now.
Head is waiting for them.

One more day & they will have it  

Then I can get some sleep & stop worrying about them, as they have all the tools & instructions to be able to fit the head.
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« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2009, 20:10:28 PM »
i recon since it's lasted a while it will probably hold  i say 5k

you cant beat a good bodge every once in a while to brighten life up, years ago my mate put a hole in a piston on his very abused Xr3i about 3 days before the guy who arrange to buy it collected it

he took the head off and fixed a bit of steel plate over the hole with self tappers and it ran just fine!! well we didnt dare rev it too much but the new owner never complained about it exploding

any chance pix of the head after welding dave ?

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« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2009, 00:21:25 AM »

Well I have seen some bodges but that plate on the piston tops them all.  


They have a good head & gasket in the boot now.

Currently touring through Bosnia.

No issues with the head yet, but they had a fuel leak the other day.

I have a piccy somewhere but it is not something I am proud of
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« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2009, 18:49:12 PM »
yeah it was bad  but suprising it worked as well as it did
 
C'mon pic pic pic , it cant be that bad  . .  can it ?

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« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2009, 09:51:06 AM »
Here is a work in progress one  

 


They are in Russia now, an American Jeep with two Yanks inside with loads of photographic gear driving through the heart of Russia is kinda funny I think  

Head is still O.K.

But they do have a major leak on the rear axle input shaft diff seal & the LPG keeps flicking between petrol & LPG.

However they have not used any petrol since Germany  

& their bodged up petrol pipe is still holding. (system still under pressure when on LPG)

Things will start getting hard now.

Road will turn into dirt tracks, there is rivers to cross, deserts to cross & local's walking around with guns!

You go guys!  
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« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2009, 07:42:50 AM »
O.K I will bore you with one last update  

It made it  

8200 miles total.

1 leaking fuel rail fixed in Germany.
Rear diff seal went on Kazakhstan border. (just kept topping it up)
Both rear shocks gave up in Russia. (again carried on but slower)
The only two punctures of the trip on same stretch of road in Russia.

Used 1/2 litre of oil & topped up water twice.

Then after reaching the finish they decided to go off roading crossed a 4ft deep river that almost killed it  

Luckly they remembered how I got a engine going again after I did a similiar thing a few years back in Morocco  


So after getting towed by donkey, 6 hours & a large group of locals watching there every move she ran again.

Appears to be as pre-river crossing too with just the bad shocks & diff seal problems.

 

It still has the good spare head in the boot (probably rusty now) & a note saying if uses water change head  


As promised here is what I did.

Really had to butcher it first.

 
« Last Edit: September 14, 2009, 08:37:21 AM by Dave »
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« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2009, 19:35:43 PM »
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O.K I will bore you with one last update

i could not have missed it, i had 10 topic reply's in my mailbox, this afternoon.

but they made it. thats what counts.
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« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2009, 20:01:03 PM »
aye 10 mails here too!
congrats to the guys and that is one good bodge dave you should be proud

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« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2009, 21:34:48 PM »
Well, got my e-mail box kinda flooded by this topic  

But, you did do a great job botching that engine together.
Who would have thought it would actually make it the whole trip?

And a very good job of the 2 drivers keeping the car kinda together for so long
« Last Edit: September 14, 2009, 21:36:27 PM by fordrwd4ever »
Keep it very sideways..

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« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2009, 11:15:46 AM »
 

Yeah sorry about that  

It took a number of attempts to post that as the the board was on a go slow at the time.

Kept crashing everytime I tryed to post.

Then when I did get it load there was loads of the same post which I then had to delete.

Hence all the activity
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« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2009, 22:02:08 PM »
All those miles and it still looks as it did when i poped over lol, goes to show with a bit of know how and some tools a quick bodge can go a long way  
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