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Simon 3 door

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« on: May 29, 2008, 18:15:42 PM »
Going to paint the whole car diamond white 2k and then the ABC pillars, gutter strips and a V on the bonnet by the scuttle in capri blue (the red will be a vinyl stripe).

Was thinking of a litre of 2k primer 4:1 mix with 2k hardener with 10-15% 2k thinners and then
1.5 litres of diamond white 2:1 mix with 2k hardener with 10% 2k thinners and
0.5 litres of capri blue 2:1 mix with 2k hardener with 10% 2k thinners.

Opinions as to the amounts / mix greatly appreciated. Found a source of breathing kit for 2k paint application so am OK there but have only ever used cellulose before and never an entire car just the odd panel before.

Simon.



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« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2008, 20:02:00 PM »
More then that ya tight git      

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« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2008, 20:05:29 PM »
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More then that ya tight git      
LOL I've read conflicting stories - one bloke recons you ought to be able to respray 4 cars with 5 litres of paint but like I said I've only ever done the odd panel here and there before.

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« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2008, 21:43:48 PM »
Hello Simon, just been looking at some of your pic's of the 3 door. Looking good, nice attention to detail.
In regards to quantity of paint, it all depends on the quality of finish your after. Will it be a pretty track slag or do you want to piss off the money boys at the shows. If its the first, then 1.5 ltrs of solid will suffice and give ok coverage but you'll have sod all depth. Start colour sanding this back to remove the orange peel and your looking at a very bad day as you'll easily cut through to the primer, especially on edges. If you like orange peel, then a good buff will still give a good finish, probably not far off some factory finishes, just very thin.
If you don't like orange peel, then you'll need more like 2.5 to 3 ltrs of solid plus activator and thinners. With this quantity, then you'll have enough to do all the shuts, door edges, and all the little bits you didn't realise needed painting until you've got the gun in your hand. Trust me, there's nothing worse than praying that that last bit of paint in the gun will cover that last panel. It never does.
Ideally, you'll need at least 4 good coats, 1 dust coat followed by 3 drench coats. When all this has hardened, you'll need to colour sand 1 coat off to remove all the peel. A good buff with G3 followed with Autoglym should give you a finish to be really proud of.
If you could get good results with celly then you'll get great results with 2K.
I personally get either 4 or 5 ltrs of colour, at least then if a repair is needed at a later date, then you've got a perfect match.

I should have started this reply with "Appologies for the oncoming waffle"

Mik.

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« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2008, 22:07:24 PM »
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Hello Simon, just been looking at some of your pic's of the 3 door. Looking good, nice attention to detail.
In regards to quantity of paint, it all depends on the quality of finish your after. Will it be a pretty track slag or do you want to piss off the money boys at the shows. If its the first, then 1.5 ltrs of solid will suffice and give ok coverage but you'll have sod all depth. Start colour sanding this back to remove the orange peel and your looking at a very bad day as you'll easily cut through to the primer, especially on edges. If you like orange peel, then a good buff will still give a good finish, probably not far off some factory finishes, just very thin.
If you don't like orange peel, then you'll need more like 2.5 to 3 ltrs of solid plus activator and thinners. With this quantity, then you'll have enough to do all the shuts, door edges, and all the little bits you didn't realise needed painting until you've got the gun in your hand. Trust me, there's nothing worse than praying that that last bit of paint in the gun will cover that last panel. It never does.
Ideally, you'll need at least 4 good coats, 1 dust coat followed by 3 drench coats. When all this has hardened, you'll need to colour sand 1 coat off to remove all the peel. A good buff with G3 followed with Autoglym should give you a finish to be really proud of.
If you could get good results with celly then you'll get great results with 2K.
I personally get either 4 or 5 ltrs of colour, at least then if a repair is needed at a later date, then you've got a perfect match.

I should have started this reply with "Appologies for the oncoming waffle"

Mik.
Cheers Mik - much appreciated. Looking forward to getting it done. I'm going for "pretty track slag" but want it to last so will make sure I get plenty of paint. Thinking of getting a new gun too - gravity fed this time.

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« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2008, 22:29:38 PM »
Good luck with it. I'd painted a couple of cars with celly and got ok results but started with 2K after half an hour talking to a painter and not looked back since. It's very forgiving, just don't let it run.
Just remember, it's all in the prep. Take your time with that.

Who knows, maybe my 4i will be finished soon (yeah right) and I'll get to kick your arse on track.

Mik.

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« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2008, 22:36:19 PM »
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Good luck with it. I'd painted a couple of cars with celly and got ok results but started with 2K after half an hour talking to a painter and not looked back since. It's very forgiving, just don't let it run.
Just remember, it's all in the prep. Take your time with that.

Who knows, maybe my 4i will be finished soon (yeah right) and I'll get to kick your arse on track.

Mik.
   unless it's running on rocket fuel dream on fella!! In all seriousness I'm looking forward to having my own car to take to the track - last year I was using 2 Elises and a VX220 belonging to a friend - it's never the same when they aren't yours - you only drive to 7/10ths just in case you prang it!!

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« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2008, 22:42:38 PM »
Consider yourself lucky that your mates lend you their cars, mine just laugh at me.  Got to get my kicks at work driving a bloody useless Renault ambulance, they won't even give me the decent Merc.
I'm probably a year away from getting close to finishing the 4i.

Mik.

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« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2008, 22:46:33 PM »
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Consider yourself lucky that your mates lend you their cars, mine just laugh at me.  Got to get my kicks at work driving a bloody useless Renault ambulance, they won't even give me the decent Merc.
I'm probably a year away from getting close to finishing the 4i.

Mik.
I got the 3 door as a rolling shell last June so I know where you're coming from Mik. Fookin ell if the Renault ambulance drives anywhere near as bad as a Master van I feel for ya mate. My works van is a new Transit - drives really well.



LOL I have blue lights & sirens too!

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« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2008, 23:18:59 PM »
Yeah, its crap. We have to turn our lights off on the motorway cos we kept getting overtaken. At least I can sneak up on sunday drivers and scare them with the sirens. Little perks eh.

Need more hrs in the day, got my 4i, a Lotus resto and a Porker 944 to work on plus other mates cars and a near full time job. Dropped my hrs so I can spend more time at the garage. Just made the girlfriend work harder.....

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« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2008, 01:16:30 AM »
Well heres my 2p worth.

It depends how many coats you wanna put on it.

Last week I sprayed me van in diamond white.

It's cheaper to get the bulk mix @ about 26.50 for 2.5L.

With that I managed to put 6 coats on a Ford Courier van before I ran out + 2 under the back end.

Sierra basic full respray is about 2L for 4 coats but I go very thin on the last one.

Inside doors & underside etc takes it up to 4L as you seem to waste alot of paint for some reason.

Depends on mix but usally 2 pack will double so buy 2.5L & you end up with 5L that you actually spray on.

My tip is to always get a bit more than you think you need.

Goodluck.

« Last Edit: May 30, 2008, 01:32:42 AM by Dave »
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« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2008, 10:05:55 AM »
Far better to buy more, its Diamond white. its cheap as hell and to be fair your going to stuff it on the track and need some more in the future for repairs. Just mix it as you need it per pot full,
A nice gravity feed is good to use for the body but while your scrambling about under neath use your suction gun as you'll get pi55ed off tw@ting the floor and arches with the pot on your gravity gun.
Inside of the doors and floor takes more because of the spray waste it seams to go every where. Make sure you have all these bits well coated before doing the body as you don't want to trying to buff off dry spray from the body.
2k is a pleasure to use over celly, if its your first time with it get plenty of coats on i'd do 4 with a dryish one to start with and avoid the runs as they are a cunt to buff out.
Good luck, expecting plenty of photos to follow

Ian


 

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