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« on: March 19, 2010, 11:27:48 AM »
got caught by a camera in january, 36 in a 30 limit...

quick question, do i ahve the right to see the calibration certificate and a photo...
i understand there may be an admin fee, but if they cant produce either i could take it to court..

so basically can i ask for the certificate and photo, without pleading guilty or not guilty??
just so i know they have the evidence they say they have...

just wanted to know if i have the right to see the evidence, without taking it to court...



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« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2010, 11:38:01 AM »
Well, in Holland you have the right to see the photo of the camera.
But, they screw you with that as well, because you have to pay an admin fee to get the photo in the mail.

It doesn`t matter if you plead guilty or not.

So i think you can request the photo from the speedcam, just to see if it really was your car  
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« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2010, 11:58:01 AM »
now im pissed off!!...

just found out that the official guidelines from the Association of chief police officers
for prosecution is the speed limt + 10% + 2 MPH...

so 30 miles an hour + 10% is 33 miles an hour...

+2 mph is 35...and i was doing 36!!! you try walking at 1 mph, its bloody hard...

may try and find out what the tolorances are on the camera's are...if they have a
+/- tolorance of 1 mph, may have to see about that!!

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« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2010, 15:55:51 PM »
You'll be offerred a speed awareness course.  You can get off these matters but it takes a lot of persistance   For general advice go across to the Pepipoo forums.  Don't send the 172 back until you've decided what course of action to take.  they always send out another.  At the end of the day they really want the easy £60 without going to court.

Best defence is that the letter didn't arrive within 14 days. They can prove when they sent it but weren't there on the day it arrived.  So if you did go to Court and state it arrived late then it's up to the magistrates to decide if you're being truthful or not.  You may have a witness or a neighbour may have put a stamp on it and posted it on to you, who knows. This has worked in a test case but they don't want it becoming common knowledge for obvious reasons.

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« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2010, 19:19:31 PM »
Quote from: seany
got caught by a camera in january, 36 in a 30 limit...

quick question, do i ahve the right to see the calibration certificate and a photo...
i understand there may be an admin fee, but if they cant produce either i could take it to court..

so basically can i ask for the certificate and photo, without pleading guilty or not guilty??
just so i know they have the evidence they say they have...

just wanted to know if i have the right to see the evidence, without taking it to court...

The question is, did you or didn't you drive too fast? Usually the claimed speed is after the safety margin is subtracted.
Actual speed= Claimed speed +(10%+2mph). ... or so it is here, but the margin is different. Just a flat +3 km/h.  I got
caught a few weeks ago doing 64 km/h in a 60 km/h limit.  A picture of the offence was attached to the fine.  1600 nok (£180) down the drain. :o(
Indicated speed on the speedo was just below 70 km/h.  Totally my mistake. I drive the same route several times a week.
The speed cameras are highly accurate  and stable devices and are calibrated regulary. Laserguns and radars is a different matter, tho.
My advise?  If you did go too fast; swallow your pride and take the punishment as a man. If you know were driving within the speedlimit; do what
you can to prove your innocense. A fawlty camera may trap other innocent drivers as well.

Good luck!


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« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2010, 20:43:40 PM »
Svein, over here it's your duty to resist if you know how to do that.  These are speed cameras not safety camera's and they don't save lives.  It's basically just another racket to give the government money.  The speed limit's just a number on a stick anyway and the traps are set where ordinary people may be confused or make a small mistake.

ETA, we also get given 3 penalty points as well as the fine.  12 points gets you a 12 month ban. Proffessional drivers could easily get banned due to the mileage they clock up.
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« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2010, 23:08:59 PM »
ACPO guidelines which recommend a tolerance of +10% + 2 mph are just that, recommendations.  They can do you for 31 if they want.  They normally allow for a potential 10% error in your speedo (though they normally over-read not under) and a couple of MPH for not paying full attention.  They have got you over a barrel, if you don't complete the 172 then they will slap you with 3 points and £60 for failing to disclose who the driver was.  If you contest it and go to court, they could give you 6 points and a very hefty fine.  It's all geared to make it easier and less risky to just admit it and take the hit.  My sister got done in Worcestershire last year for 35 in a 30.  Bloody Scameras, feck all to do with road safety and the government's own data proves that.  Nice little earner though so don't expect it to change.
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« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2010, 23:35:37 PM »
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Svein, over here it's your duty to resist if you know how to do that.  These are speed cameras not safety camera's and they don't save lives.  It's basically just another racket to give the government money.  The speed limit's just a number on a stick anyway and the traps are set where ordinary people may be confused or make a small mistake.

ETA, we also get given 3 penalty points as well as the fine.  12 points gets you a 12 month ban. Proffessional drivers could easily get banned due to the mileage they clock up.

It's your duty to deny an offence no matter innocent or not?  Some do the same here as well, but it's not a duty. Sure, most people who think they are innocent will try to do whatever they can to prove injustice, but it's not always worth it. You may just as well end up with even more expenses, like lawyer and administration fees for the court in addition to the original fine.

Some cameras may be considered as safety cameras, but the only thing they measure is speed. You find them everywhere from in the middle of town to in the middle of nowhere. ...eh, there are a few cameras to catch drives who run red lights as well. Some are put up on places for a good reason while others are just moneymakers.  

About speed limits. I don't totally agree with your simplification. If you are alone on the roads you may do more or less as you please, but since the roads are open to the public and you are surrounded by others drivers it has to be rules. As long as everybody play by the same rules things goes just fine. Most problems occur when some start playing by their own rules. If the rules are fair or not is a different story...

We do practice  penalty points here as well. 8 points within 3 years and your licence is withdrawn for 6 months and you have to start all over again with driving lessons, theory and driving test. Some offences, like illegal overtaking, run a red light, high speed (more than 15km/h over in a 60km/h limit or less, or 20km/h over in a 70km/h limit or more qualify for 2 points. 11-15/16-20 over is 1 point.  Fines are £70-730 for 1-25km/h over in a 60km/h limit or less and £70-880 in a 70km/h limit or more. More than this and you have to stand trial and will, most likely, end up in jail for a few weeks. The list is a mile long and expensive.  What about £600 for taking your 4wd on a trip in the terrain?

Each country have their own way of regulating the traffic. I'm sure it hurt just as much no matter where you live.

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« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2010, 03:42:05 AM »
If you dont want tickets dont fecking speed, would have thought that was a simple thing to understand

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« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2010, 08:49:31 AM »
Svein, it's your duty not to confess and it should be the prosecutiuon who have to prove the offence.  That's how it used to be in British law but they gradually erode our rights which were enshrined in Magna Carta.  One of those was our right to silence.  We have a nasty thing called a section 172 which basically takes away your right to silence. You have to name the driver and sign it.  They then use it as a signed statement against you.

As for the speed limits a lot of them are plain stupid so of course people will drive to the conditions. 70 mph in fog is stupid but legal. If you went to a speed awareness course you wouldn't see one dangerous driver, just a load of normal people who maybe went a few miles over the limit. Meanwhile we have no traffic police left and the drink drivers and dangerous drivers get away with stuff.  Yet the government won't let go of the camera's, far to much money to be made.

Taps, everybody speeds but soon we'll be driving G whizzes or forced to drive at 30 mph everywhere. I'd make the most of your car while you're allowed to own one.

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« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2010, 09:42:44 AM »
I got done at 35 in a 30 , so on the guideline.. But cumbria constabulary like their revenue generators.

There is a rule about placing mobile sites that rates locations based on the number of accidents and fatals in a given period. Cumbria use this to place cameras on almost deserted motorways cos there was one fatal crash a few years back. ( which was probably not speed related ) . They also use it to place cameras within a permissible distance of the crash site, but where they are more likly to make money, rather than on the actual crash site where the crash probably was not speed related.


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« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2010, 11:19:25 AM »
There's also a clause in the legislation which allows them to put mobile camera traps where there haven't been any accidents and they use that a lot.  It explains why you'll see either a mobile or fixed unit on a brand new road.

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« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2010, 22:09:45 PM »
God I hate speed camera's, I see near misses as people brake hard to try & avoid the things every day.

Camera's are a hazard & do nothing for road safety.

If I had half an hour I would do a nice long post about it  

& no I have never been caught by a fixed one so it's not sour grapes either

Have lost my licence twice for speeding however, oh the shame of it!
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« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2010, 08:18:09 AM »
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Taps, everybody speeds but soon we'll be driving G whizzes or forced to drive at 30 mph everywhere. I'd make the most of your car while you're allowed to own one.

Correct everyone does BUT if you get caught theres only one person to blame and thats yourself, limits are there for a reason, ok some are just plain stupid but break them expect to get points and a fine, dont fecking moan about it as your the twat who broke them and got caught.
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« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2010, 10:06:42 AM »
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Taps, everybody speeds but soon we'll be driving G whizzes or forced to drive at 30 mph everywhere. I'd make the most of your car while you're allowed to own one.

Correct everyone does BUT if you get caught theres only one person to blame and thats yourself, limits are there for a reason, ok some are just plain stupid but break them expect to get points and a fine, dont fecking moan about it as your the twat who broke them and got caught.

I can't agree with you completely on this.  It's not a black and white issue and most of these people aren't twats.  A lot of people can break a limit without even knowing the limits been changed or through ignorance.  They can also be tricked or not see signage.  These are ordinary middle class england types of people not reckless speeders.  The focus should be on education and better driving, not staring at the speedo whilst tailgating the car in front.  As for limits being there for a reason, that's often bollocks imo.  Local councils are lowering limits on A roads and even going against police advice, yet they still do it.  The reason, ignorance, politics, stupidity and well wished intentions.  It makes our roads more dangerous and causes more accidents according to the police.  We now have a mantra where the BRAKE mob will say 'the speed limits not a target' and they'll drive everywhere at 10 mph below the limit.  When I took my lessons the speed limit WAS a target to accellerate to and quickly. This was so as not to inconvenience other road users.. Look where we are now, crawling along in endless queues because everybodys afraid of the speed camera.

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« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2010, 14:47:20 PM »
Around here the police put the mobile speed traps in the most obvious of places along the a31 on the Hogsback 2-3 times a week hoping to catch people that dont realise its a 50 limit now rather than a 60.
Yet our little village just outside of Runfold has been campaigning for years to get the national speed limit on the road going through reduced to a 30 due the idiots flying through using at as a rat run after someone nearly got knocked down. Council would only accept a 40 limit then after another year of giving the council abuse they finally dropped it to 30. But as we all know anyone in the government or local councils dont have a friggin clue........instead of doing the whole road they have done one small 500yard section that makes no difference what so ever. Even if we had a speed camera drivers would only slow down then speed up again so its not really getting rid of the problem.

Yes people are always going to speed, I for one hold my hand up  ........I`d like to think I`m a relatively safe and aware driver though. Never had a speeding ticket and dont intend on getting one. But I personally dont think speed camera are anything other than a nice source of income. I can drive down to see my g/f on a friday afternoon, its a A-road but very curvy goes through alot of small villages yet the amount of people of over-taking on blind corners or trying to jump a 7+ group of cars just to get infront is shocking. I genuinely hate using the road because I know I`m going to either have some bell end tailgating me or someone trying to jump a group of car and cut in at the last minute.

IMO its the same old story alot of people dont give a crap about anyone but themselves, too much in a rush to get somewhere. The state of people`s driving has gone to pot in the last few decades........its not going to change anytime soon because people know they can get away with dangerous driving without any traffic coppers about.  



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« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2010, 18:09:15 PM »
Also when they used the 85% percentile limits had a pretty good chance of being followed by at least 85% of motorists   They've stopped doing this now so if the limits set to low most people will drive to the conditions and ignore it, kerching! loads of money to be had.

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« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2010, 23:31:30 PM »
I personaly would not mind being PULLED and having a conversation with a traffic..

Speed Cameras, well...

Do they stop the dickhead not wearing his seatbelt, do they stop the ass... jump;ing the red light, do they stop the guy flying up the inside, the biatch with her fogs on, the wanker with his n95 glued to his lugole, the tit with the scripted numerplate, the whore with so man stisker she cant see she has jst cut you up, the fukker who is so doped up he can't ..........................................................................


Get rid of teh revenue machines and get some real peeps out there who can reason.

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« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2010, 23:36:36 PM »
An aquintance was pulled doing 120 on the m6 years ago...

the traffic booby asked what spped he thought he was doing..

"to be honest, probnably 110ish.. but it's 2am. there's no traffic and it's dry as a bone" was the reply..

Traffic cops. reply..

"slow it down, and take it easy. Now on ya way."


what would the camera have done.   INSTANT BAN.




Put more police on the road, get rid of the cashcow.




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« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2010, 11:12:37 AM »
I think speed cameras could be a very effective safety device IF USED PROPERLY. I know most of the local sites and it's obvious to anyone local that they've put them where they are most likely to catch people rather than where they would slow people down and prevent an accident.

The A59 between Blackburn and Preston is a prime example it used to be a national limit. There are a couple of roads that join it with just give-way lines and there have been a few big smashes where someone pulls out and is collected by a clown doing 90+. So the limit was dropped to 50 - net result zero because the people causing the problem were the ones who ignored the national limit and they still ignore a 50 limit. So now they install cameras. My particular favourite is one spot where you come from a big wide section of the road and in quick succession round a corner, pass a petrol station, a pub and then a road joins from the left. Logic says you stick the camera just before the corner and make it visible so that people slow down before all the hazards. Nope - the camera has gone in just after all the hazards as the road straightens out and you can see for miles again with no risk of cars pulling out or pedestrians walking around. I timed it at one point and I reckoned in my Scimitar I could have pulled out from the last joining road and got a ticket through the camera. Raise the majority of the road back to a national, stick a nice big 50 sign 500yds before the corner and then have a nice visible camera 100 yds before the corner and you would solve the problem. Then stick a policeman along there every-so-often to pull over the clowns doing really silly speeds whilst those that are exceeding the limit by a bit but not increasing the risk of accident to themselves or others maybe get pulled over and told to slow down. As it is it's just a cash machine and does nothing to increase road safety.

Taps if you're trying to tell us you don't exceed the speed limit you're a liar - and I'll say the same to anyone else who tries to tell me they never speed. We all do it to some extent whether it's deliberate or not. So long as you are driving in a manner appropriate to the road conditions and with an eye to the limit there should be no problem and that's where a real person could exercise some common sense and discresion - 35 along a nice wide road in good visibility at a quiet time can be perfectly safe despite maybe being over the posted limit. The same section of road on a filthy wet foggy day at school kicking out time is a different kettle of fish and it's entirely likely that 30 would be dangerous. Which one would the camera punish?

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« Reply #20 on: March 22, 2010, 11:28:28 AM »
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TAPS if you're trying to tell us you don't exceed the speed limit you're a liar - and I'll say the same to anyone else who tries to tell me they never speed.

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Perhaps I need to spell out what I'm saying.

The speed limits are there regardless of the ins and outs of if there right or wrong, IF you get caught theres NO ONE TO BLAME EXCEPT YOUR SELF FOR BEING A TWAT TO GET CAUGHT IN THE FIRST PLACE so dont go moaning about it    

NO WHERE IN THE MAKING OF THIS THREAD HAVE I EXPRESSED THAT I HAVE NEVER EXCEEDED THE SPEED LIMIT  
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« Reply #21 on: March 22, 2010, 11:57:49 AM »
I agree with most of what has been said.

Local people were complaining of the idiots who use one of the local roads as a race track, not uncommon to see cars flying down the road at 70+MPH always at night after about 9 PM. we have seen several fatalities, head on collisions, cars wrapped around trees, and lamp posts. One poor chap had a lamp post across hi car, and in through his living room window

So what did the local council do....... they set up a speed trap on the road at 4.30 PM and caught everyone on the way home from work. my wife got done for 34 MPH in a 30 limit. Absolutely ridiculous in rush hour traffic, but they were catching around a dozen people per hour, just work out the income. When I took the issue up with our local councillors that the problem was at night the reply was astounding.

"The local community police don't work that late."




So much for road safety.





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« Reply #22 on: March 22, 2010, 12:36:41 PM »
I know a councillor in the lake district who has a hump in the road outside his house.  The local kids with scroters whizz up to it as fast as they can and get airborne for a few feet once they hit it.  They do it for fun.  Residents have been complaining and asking for a speed camera.  He asked for the hump to be levelled as this would remove any temptation for the kids.

Guess which option the council took, doh!!

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« Reply #23 on: March 22, 2010, 13:12:26 PM »
this is how we tread speed camera's in the netherlands:



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« Reply #24 on: March 22, 2010, 18:10:02 PM »
^ Wish we did a bit more of that over here Paul.

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« Reply #25 on: March 22, 2010, 19:03:46 PM »
standaard practice in the town i live.

we have 2 speed camera's. the first one got up in flames, 1 day after they installed it, the second camera, 1 day later. so they replaced the camera's and used a other camera to keep a eye on the 2 speed camera's, but no joy, they disabled the small camera's, and the speed camera's got burned again. the 3e time, someone drilled a small hole in the speedcamera's and filled it up whit building foam.

now they didn't fix the camera's again. to expencive. they now resort to mobile speed camera's.



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« Reply #26 on: March 22, 2010, 19:09:10 PM »
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I know a councillor in the lake district who has a hump in the road outside his house.  The local kids with scroters whizz up to it as fast as they can and get airborne for a few feet once they hit it.  They do it for fun.  Residents have been complaining and asking for a speed camera.  He asked for the hump to be levelled as this would remove any temptation for the kids.

Guess which option the council took, doh!!

the speed camera, because they can earn money with it. removing the hump cost money.

but how are they gone catch the scooter kids? a bid clever kid covers the licence plate off the scooter. (at least thats what i would do). so the problem stays, but the councile just makes some more money.
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« Reply #27 on: April 16, 2010, 21:35:31 PM »
Take the speed awareness if you get offered it, least you don't get any points. I got done by a mobile unit on the opposite side of the road, so my speed was -39 mph as they photographed the back of my car as I drove past. I remember wondering "whats that plod doing there??".

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« Reply #28 on: April 18, 2010, 13:47:50 PM »
i got done by a van last year, when the letter came through the post there was a web address to visit and a referance number to put in to see the picture and a copy of the calibration certificate. its a shame i hadnt washed the car because it was a cracking picture.  £60 and 3 points, served me right

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« Reply #29 on: April 21, 2010, 21:44:06 PM »
Thought I'd add a bit of advice and debunk some of the myths I here all the time.
The Court does not have to prove you got a letter, just 'good service' which means 7 working days and they can go ahead and do you. In reality if you go to Court the Magistrates will probably accept what you say, but it may cost you £100 in costs and a day off work. Then again you may just drop lucky and get a someone who takes a dim view of people bullshitting them in Court and will probably tell you so.
If you don't inform them who the driver is they'll do you for it and you'll get 6 points and a bigger fine.
If you just ignore it they will continue in your absense The Court will take your income as being £350 per wk and the fine with costs and the dreaded 'victim surcharge' of £15 will come to around £600.
to get to this stage will take about 6 months after the original letter, but you could end up losing your licence and do remember, the Courts have heard it all before.
My personal view is, I speed a some of the time as do most drivers, luckily I've only been done once, and like others I've been let off by nice policeman a few times (be polite and get out of the car).
It's an occupational hazzard, if you're gonna speed, expect to get caught eventually
« Last Edit: April 21, 2010, 21:45:30 PM by martinez »

 

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