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Janspeedcapri

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Which oil cooler?
« on: June 23, 2009, 22:46:13 PM »
This seller  - http://shop.ebay.co.uk/merchant/tracs0152]http://shop.ebay.co.uk/merchant/tracs0152 - has some every size (rows) and connection size under the sun it seems but which should i choose??? the engines a 2.8 turbo, aiming for 300bhp... how many rows, and what size connections would I be best with? I have the melling high flow oil pump and will be getting an accusump accumilator for it too.
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« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2009, 05:08:56 AM »
Where from would the oil piping be travelling from,to the cooler?  On my 4i,I have a sandwich plate between the oil filter and block. And the sandwich plate in- and outlets have a 19mm diameter,so you would be needing piping for 19mm which is equivalent to 0.748 inches translating to 3/4",I think. This then would give you an idea on the hose tail fitting size. I'm guessing that you might be needing 3/4" UNF.
And the cooler on mine is about 12" wide,and 7" deep.
Have you seen this
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Tickford-Capri-Turbo-2-8i-oil-cooler-with-braided-hoses_W0QQitemZ300322951276]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Tickford-Capri-Turbo...emZ300322951276
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« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2009, 12:07:32 PM »
Just ordered genuine MOCOL 16 row 5/8" cooler, thermostatic (80C) sandwich plate and hoses - £155 delivered. not cheap like ones I linked too but peace of mind is worth it.
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« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2009, 20:15:28 PM »
£200.00 buy now price is more than the £155,- you payed now. and a thermostat is a good thing or beter said, a must for a car thats street driven.
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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2009, 22:19:36 PM »
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£200.00 buy now price is more than the £155,- you payed now.

what?   If you read that listing its neither a 16 row oilcooler or a Mocol unit. Have a look at Mattlewis racing and you will see what I bought and payed. http://stores.shop.ebay.co.uk/Matt-Lewis-Racing__W0QQ_armrsZ1]http://stores.shop.ebay.co.uk/Matt-Lewis-R...g__W0QQ_armrsZ1

this is from "my ebay" "won items"

 5/8 OIL COOLER REMOTE FILTER HOSE PIPE FITTINGS UNIONS
Quantity: 2
Sale date: 24/06/09
 -- £15.98

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 5/8 OIL COOLER HOSE PIPE ESCORT MK1 MK2 SIERRA COSWORTH
Quantity: 2
Sale date: 24/06/09
 -- £17.98

    Leave feedback  
 
 MOCAL OIL COOLER
Sale date: 24/06/09
 -- £69.99

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 OIL COOLER PLATE THERMOSTAT SIERRA ESCORT COSWORTH XR4i
Sale date: 24/06/09
 -- £39.99

    Leave feedback  
 
and he combined shipping - £10
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« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2009, 08:13:52 AM »
in this ad http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Tickford-Capri-Turbo...emZ300322951276]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Tickford-Capri-Turbo...emZ300322951276, that sierra3dr posted,
he asked £200.00 buy now price. looking in the Mattlewis racing ad's from the link you gave me, that same capri cooler is indeed cheaper. you payed £155.-, and thats cheaper.

or did i miss something?  

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« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2009, 09:25:26 AM »
Its not just cheaper Paul, its a better kit - mine is MOCOL which is the best and the cooler itself is a 16 row with large inlets/outlets and BRAND NEW - the used one looks like a 13 row, and the plate probably isn't with a thermostat. Your post thoroughly confused me, I have to admit.

20th EDIT - I just said to the wife how I often struggle to understand you and be understood, but its worth the effort cos of your vast knowledge  
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« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2009, 11:19:07 AM »
hey i am world champion confusing everyone.  

but i know my gramatica could be beter
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« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2009, 00:26:42 AM »
13 row is more than adequate (been using one for years), I'm sure I never paid this much for mine and I went got it all over the counter at thinkauto. Stat is a must... those that don't usually find they want to.
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« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2009, 13:53:37 PM »
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13 row is more than adequate (been using one for years).
there wasn't much price difference and bigger is always better  
I might be making more heat than you anyway... I think of several reasons seeing as I have a large single turbo with a link pipe that reduces the sump capacity and heats the contents  
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« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2009, 21:22:15 PM »
not a critisism, just contributing to the conversation, and I have seen temperatures pre cooler fitment that are alarming! so where I understand your single turbo does contribute to heating the oil I have to say I've had higher temps at time's than an equivelent twin turbo. The extra horse's generated by mine and loading at lower speeds it's placed under is adequate enough to warrent a cooler.
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« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2009, 22:28:06 PM »

Anything that will increase an engines performance by a fair bit will increase oil temps.

Even increasing the rev limit will do it.

Just to put my 2 pence worth in make sure your oil pump is good as as a oil cooler will lower your oil pressure a little.

Most turbo's need good oil pressure.
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« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2009, 09:34:53 AM »
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Just to put my 2 pence worth in make sure your oil pump is good as as a oil cooler will lower your oil pressure a little.
Most turbo's need good oil pressure.

Ive got the melling highflow pump and about to order a 2qt Accusump oil accumilator/pre-oiler. Just trying to workout which fill/discharge pressure to choose for the electric valve...  what the IDEAL oil pressure?
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« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2009, 23:30:56 PM »

Well I have not read my instrutions yet but I thought you could set it to what ever you want as you have to pressure it to the pressure you want????

Anyway 60psi is min if journal turbo's.



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« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2009, 00:03:34 AM »
You have an EPC valve on yours?  options are 20-25 psi, 35-40 psi and 55-60 psi. The kit I'm going for includes my choice of those. Basicly, below the range, it will discharge, above it will refill. I spose I want the 55-60 psi do I?
You get yours recently then? have you installed it?

btw - the kit includes guage, epc valve and clamps for £242 delivered - how does that compare?
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« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2009, 00:27:49 AM »
Derrrrrr..... thinking of something else.

Journal turbo's need 2 bar or 30psi  


Well to be honest I don't remember what I have bought but I don't remember no oil pressure figures so must just have the STD kit.

Bought it ages ago from the States dirt cheap, looked at it when it came now somewhere in the shed  

So the 35-40 one I think.

As you have the high flow pump & I assume a new build engine you should also make that pressure at idle hopefully.
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« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2009, 08:23:22 AM »
oil cooler thermostat?  never heard of them....interesting
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« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2009, 05:48:51 AM »


If you look at the picture, on the bottom row and 3rd from the left this has a stat built in and the type used on our V6's, all it will do it open the stat at a set tempterature and allow flow to the cooler. You can get these that operate at different temperatures, however I know mine is about 90 degress from memory (may have to check).
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« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2009, 18:21:13 PM »
Dave - yeah, the engines been completely rebuilt. I will go for the middle option on the EPC valve and hope for the best. I guess you have either the std electric valve or the manual one but I found a good offer on the kit wiv the EPC so thought why not - it means the thing recharges quicker and you can obviously wire it to the ignition for pre-oiling.

super12v - I have a 60 degree thermostatic sandwich plate/take off for my oil cooler,  - so the cooler is bypassed till it reaches temp, aiding warm up. Along wiv the Davies Craig (115 pump and electronic control) and the Kenlowe, I should be o.k for temps  

Thinking about an oil heater in the sump as well actualy but ive got to stop buyin stuff  

btw dave - the engine builders said there was no ceramic coating on the minker pistons  
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« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2009, 00:07:35 AM »

Yeah it opens up when you switch the ignition on.

Pistons well I never seen them but Gengis did list them on his blog as coated as that was probably what he was told.

Mike couldn't remember.

So turns out to be just boggo Minker/TT280 pistons then.

You should find the stat to be 80 C as that is the norm.
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