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which aftermarket engine management for 24v
« on: October 13, 2008, 17:07:27 PM »
which aftermarket engine management for 24v is advised or recommended for use on a 24v and why

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« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2008, 22:14:05 PM »
emerald!!! as dave walker will give you a 24v map ready to go,it just needs a little tweaking,reliable and very user freindly software.you can use all the standard ford sensors,coil pack,cps etc as the k3 ecu you can calibrate stuff now.
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« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2008, 00:06:16 AM »
does that mean i could just take the old ecu out and plug his in?

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« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2008, 00:30:40 AM »
^ I doubt it.  The emerald will have different pin outs/socket and you will need a custom loom.  Call Dave Walker and ask him for advice.  He's mapped some of my engines so will have base maps for the 24v.

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« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2008, 06:06:45 AM »
My advise is to ask the person you intend to tune and setup the car  As they will have a preference.

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« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2008, 21:14:25 PM »
Go for emerald...
I find it easy to use and I can allso send you a detailed "how to", that explain what goes where, existing possition an color of the wires, what not to do etc. on the 24V.
Got a basemap for the original setup and can help you with a base if you change injectors etc. You will allso get that from Dave Walker att emerald. Free of charge  

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« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2008, 21:32:03 PM »

I am with super 12v on this.

If your able to do it yourself then it is what ever you fancy but if you plan to take it somewhere to be set-up then ask them as some people won't touch some makes of ECU.

For example I am looking to get my 24V set-up on a engine dyno but no one wants to program a Emerald which I fancied using.
I have the option of doing it myself on the dyno but I have never used Emerald so it may take me a while to figure it out that could cost me alot more than it should.

So it looks like a DTA is my best option as most seem willing to work with it & it will only cost me one day on the dyno.
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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2008, 18:56:12 PM »
Quote from: Dave
I am with super 12v on this.

If your able to do it yourself then it is what ever you fancy but if you plan to take it somewhere to be set-up then ask them as some people won't touch some makes of ECU.

For example I am looking to get my 24V set-up on a engine dyno but no one wants to program a Emerald which I fancied using.
I have the option of doing it myself on the dyno but I have never used Emerald so it may take me a while to figure it out that could cost me alot more than it should.

So it looks like a DTA is my best option as most seem willing to work with it & it will only cost me one day on the dyno.

Hi Dave was thinking of useing Emerald on my 24v turbo , How dose cost compair with DTA ? I have heard a lot of good things about D walker , who have you asked to DYNO your's.


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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2008, 22:46:44 PM »

Emerald is cheaper.
There is about 200 quid in it.

Yeah I have heard about 99% of nothing but good comments about Emerald but the people with the engine dyno's don't seem to keen on it.
Dave does not have a engine dyno.

It looks like Ric Wood will be doing mine.
He will map on Motec or DTA.
To use Emerald he said I would have to map it myself on the dyno:(

A engine dyno is about 1000 quid a day, DTA = 1 day hire. Emerald could take me 2 days  

I guess I should really talk to Dave Walker about it, maybe he has access to a engine dyno
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« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2008, 23:49:21 PM »
Dave Walker has a rolling road not a bench dyno.  Who are those people near B'ham? Is it Thor, they have a rolling road. Or you could go to Norris, he has an engine dyno?

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« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2008, 00:22:01 AM »
I have spoke to just about everyone near me & yes they can do it but they all have their own ideas on ECU.

None of them ideas being Emerald.  

Anyways I like what Ric Wood has been saying on the phone.

Hopefully due to meet him soon.

He also knows Geoffs engine + the other he built that made 700bhp + & he likes the old V6 Fords  
« Last Edit: October 25, 2008, 00:23:53 AM by Dave »
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« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2008, 21:17:27 PM »
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Emerald is cheaper.
There is about 200 quid in it.

Yeah I have heard about 99% of nothing but good comments about Emerald but the people with the engine dyno's don't seem to keen on it.
Dave does not have a engine dyno.

It looks like Ric Wood will be doing mine.
He will map on Motec or DTA.
To use Emerald he said I would have to map it myself on the dyno:(

A engine dyno is about 1000 quid a day, DTA = 1 day hire. Emerald could take me 2 days  

I guess I should really talk to Dave Walker about it, maybe he has access to a engine dyno

Hi Dave ,

Think i will stick with Emerald and hopfully Dave will map it on his rollers , it's a long way for me to go i'm down in kent haven't found any body down this way to map Emerald ECU.

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« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2008, 14:04:16 PM »
I am going to go for DTA, as my local tuner (Bj€™€Ã‚¸rnstad Bil) prefers the system. Also; DTA has a special alcohol concentration sensor which detects how much E85 I have in my tank. One think I liked better on Emerald was that I could have three separate maps, DTA could only have two.
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« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2008, 20:22:57 PM »
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I am with super 12v on this.

If your able to do it yourself then it is what ever you fancy but if you plan to take it somewhere to be set-up then ask them as some people won't touch some makes of ECU.

For example I am looking to get my 24V set-up on a engine dyno but no one wants to program a Emerald which I fancied using.
I have the option of doing it myself on the dyno but I have never used Emerald so it may take me a while to figure it out that could cost me alot more than it should.

So it looks like a DTA is my best option as most seem willing to work with it & it will only cost me one day on the dyno.

if i where you, i would dig in to the programming off a emerald. i do the same thing whit the tweecer. i must admit, its no easy stuff and the learning curve is steep, but there is enough help out there that can help you whit learning how to program the emerald. and if you know how to do it, your dyno time will be less and you can remap it everytime if you chance something or if you dont like something.

i face the same problems as you, no body around here knows what a tweecer is and the want to sell you there one ecu's like dta or kms and only have knowlege about those ecu's. there is a saying here: what the farmer doesn't not know, he doesn't not eat. it seems its very true for dyno or rolling road operators.

if the emerald has more room to grow and more options, go for it.
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« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2008, 00:16:43 AM »

Paul I can still play about with the DTA.

Simply put a Emerald costs say 750 pound then I end up 2 days on the the dyno trying to map it myself. Total almost 3000 pound!

Buy a DTA for about 950, get Ric Wood to set it up with me watching him & picking his brains.
Total cost 2000 pound!

2k makes me feel sick  but 3k scares the crap out of me  

Also there is some stuff about the Emerald uses a slow processor & is old tech with updated software & can't do this or that or even that it is to slow for a turbo engine.

Any of it true? who knows probably just stuff said to me to put me off it.    
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« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2008, 08:33:59 AM »
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Any of it true? who knows probably just stuff said to me to put me off it.  

yes and no.

yes, not all aftermarked ecu are the same, have the options you need or easy to use, like i said before what the farmer doesn't not know, he doesn't not eat. it seems its very true for dyno or rolling road operators. the nearest rolling road for me, the operators only do kms systems and carb's, nothing else, because they dont know how to work whit other aftermarket ecu's.

no: a aftermarket ecu needs to suit the engine and its purpose. and you want some room to grow.

to find the right aftermarket ecu to suit the engine and its purpose, takes alote off research. money is a issue to. the bigget problem here in europe is find the people that have the knowlege off different systems to help you, maybe its a good idea to look at forums like www.corral.net or other (drag) race and see how they do it. the us crowd are light years a head whit this and spend even more money just to find and test the right ecu. we can learn from that.
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