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Janspeedcapri

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« on: June 05, 2008, 14:41:44 PM »
I just bought a Lotus 912 with 4 speed box to put in my mk3 Capri. Its from an Eclair or something like that but its fully blueprinted (100% balanced) with a 221 bhp dyno sheet, forged mahl pistons, new clutch and twin 45 delortos intact and tuned.  
I coughed up thinking, I don't care how hard it is, this is going in my capri   . I will spaceframe the whole front end if i have to sinc i have all GRP panels anyway...  but i hope thats not needed as  it would mean SVA, q plates etc.
Logic tells me that if this engine goes in a horrible little plastic, front engine, rwd coupe like the Lotus, fitting it in the grand canyon that is the capri engine bay should be a doddle? also, the gearbox looks titchy enough to get lost in the capri tunnel. BUT have i misssed something glaringly obvious incompatibility that will not be overcome? hope not...  Let me know what you think.
I will ask on the capri boards but i thought people hbere might know a thing or 2 worth knowing - thanks



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« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2008, 16:59:29 PM »
are you making a prop i assume?
I admire you for being different but i think there are easier and cheaper ways to get 220bhp....

Ian

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« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2008, 17:32:02 PM »
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I admire you for being different but i think there are easier and cheaper ways to get 220bhp....

Ian


Maybe, but at least he will have the the 'unique' factor  

I always wanted to build a kickass X-flow for a Sierra  

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« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2008, 19:30:05 PM »
if the engine had a rear sump, and i believe they do, i don't think there will be a problem getting the engine in the engine bay. you will need to make your one engine mounth's and transmission mounth, exhaust and you need a prop for the gearbox.

greetz paul.

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greetz Paul.

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Janspeedcapri

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« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2008, 23:17:55 PM »
Well its just a lovely engine - wet linered all alloy 2.2, twincam 16 valve with twin 45 Delorto carbs. Weighs a lot less than a cast iron YB does and puts out more power N/A. Oh and cost about a third of what a comparable (condition wise) Cossy goes for...because the cossys are so obvious to put in. Also this engine has a dizzy and points - no ecu or any elctronic crap like faultcodes and broken MAFs lol
The Name Lotus on my cam covers looks better too imo - proper  


Ive been told to get Lotus mounts as a starting point. The gearbox is in actual fact a Ford effort with lotus bell housing. I have the All alloy Lotus dogleg 4 speed but it would only break with the power as only meant for 160 bhp.
I will fit it with the type 5 so should be easy and no prop issues concidering its a capri gearbox realy.
I have my sights on the alloy cased 5 speed Getrag box but I'm skinted so I'll use what i have for now.
« Last Edit: June 05, 2008, 23:23:38 PM by Janspeedcapri »

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« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2008, 00:24:47 AM »
I'm positive I saw one of them in an Escort at Fiesta in the Park this year so shouldn't be an issue in a capri.
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« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2008, 01:12:04 AM »
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Maybe, but at least he will have the the 'unique' factor  


Always. i don't doubt that...

And having Lotus on your cam covers is quite special

Arh fuck it. what ever makes you happy mate.

I'm sure if anyone here can help they will.

Ia

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« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2008, 07:11:06 AM »
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if the engine had a rear sump, and i believe they do, i don't think there will be a problem getting the engine in the engine bay. you will need to make your one engine mounth's and transmission mounth, exhaust and you need a prop for the gearbox.

greetz paul.

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Just use X-flow parts  The Lotus TC is basically one of those with a TC head on.

Capris had X-flows too so parts would be no problem.

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« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2008, 07:32:14 AM »
hello marty,

i don't think the lotus 912 engine has much in common whit the x flow engine.

greetz paul.

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greetz Paul.

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« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2008, 07:46:07 AM »
Your right
I was getting mixed up with the Ford based one

IansSaph

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« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2008, 09:12:44 AM »
I'm Sure Chuck could do the engine mounts...his stuff looks well.
Worth a PM?

Ian

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« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2008, 09:40:53 AM »
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I'm positive I saw one of them in an Escort at Fiesta in the Park this year so shouldn't be an issue in a capri.

JFB - Yeah? that boosts my confidence! Cheers mate.

Ian - I will drop him a line then - thanks

Paul, Marty - yup its a different beast and probs unique in a cappa - cheers  


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« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2008, 10:55:03 AM »
Capri has plenty of room in it for one of those, theres a guy fitting a lotus Esprit V8 into an escort, maybe lotus are the new cosworth??

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« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2008, 12:08:04 PM »
  new cosworth? Lotus are the pioneers...the 900 series was the first twin cam 16v production car engine I'll have you know  ..  ...and it wasn't made by any old Tom Dick and Harry (although those names sound entirely feasable) they were made by Englands foremost sports car marque.

I'm going to pay a deposit and have a look this afternoon, but till then I'm battling with ill fitting pattern panels and welding clamps   ..this engine is a kick up the bum to get the body sortedm at least  

btw- If anyone can link me to that escort, i would love to see it and maybe quizz the guy a bit...


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« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2008, 12:47:26 PM »
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 new cosworth? Lotus are the pioneers...the 900 series was the first twin cam 16v production car engine I'll have you know  ..  ...and it wasn't made by any old Tom Dick and Harry (although those names sound entirely feasable) they were made by Englands foremost sports car marque.

I'm going to pay a deposit and have a look this afternoon, but till then I'm battling with ill fitting pattern panels and welding clamps   ..this engine is a kick up the bum to get the body sortedm at least  

btw- If anyone can link me to that escort, i would love to see it and maybe quizz the guy a bit...


i know lotus have been going for donkeys and i know mr chapman was a pioneer of just about everything, i used to follow the JPS lotus formula one cars avidly back in the 70's, i just meant that maybe everyone was gonna stiop with the cossie engine transplnts and move to lotuses (lotii?)

my mistake by the way its not an escort, its a mk2 cortina.

http://www.turbosport.co.uk/showthread.php?t=128932&highlight=lotus]http://www.turbosport.co.uk/showthread.php...highlight=lotus

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« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2008, 15:40:12 PM »
Yeah, I think they are getting popular. We are at that stage in time where the crappy looking cars Lotus put them in are so worthless that the engines are the only part saleable (to people like me).

I reckon Sierra and escort cosworth YB engines are established as conversion engine because there has always been a plentiful supply thanks to all the write-offs by the boy racers and yuppies of the 80s and 90s. The Lotui   largely,  have just been sworned off the road by divorced, alcoholic middle aged men and left in garages or on drives until they finaly accept its time to get rid.

I tried the link but I'll have to join up there first but Cheers, thats gotta help.

By the by, I remember seeing a Lancia twincam in an old Ford (can't remeber which) in Retroford or somewhere...nice engine  , but thats just wrong

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« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2008, 16:51:51 PM »
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I'm positive I saw one of them in an Escort at Fiesta in the Park this year so shouldn't be an issue in a capri.
was it a red mk1 ? i remember once in classic ford magazine years ago

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« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2008, 19:26:48 PM »
Thinking about it, the powersteering might have to go...the 912 sit a lot of stuff lower down. ~I reckon a manual rack would be o.k anyway with less weight over the front wheels...
any deposit is paypaled so its happening, one way or another    

Hey, anyone want a Janspeed Turbo cologne and type 9? Buyer can have my username too if for a capri - i'll be changing mine...you'l never guess what to

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« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2008, 19:30:30 PM »
janlotuscapri?

just a guess.

greetz paul.

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greetz Paul.

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« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2008, 19:44:19 PM »
so was there any trouble getting a v8 in your capri paul?
this lotus should fit a bit like a v8 on  one side, if you see what i mean...



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« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2008, 20:22:17 PM »
the v8 fit's very nice and i still have enough room. the cossy was bigger and wider than the v8. the only big thing's that i had to do where the mounthing's off the engine and gearbox, prop and exhaust and move the breakbooster, 2 inch closer to the inner wing. oh yes, a bigger radiator.  that where the "hardest" thing's to do.

because your capri is rhd, i don't think the break booster will be a problem for you.

greetz paul.

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greetz Paul.

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« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2008, 21:03:15 PM »
Break booster? I feel like an idiot for asking but wos that then?

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« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2008, 21:39:37 PM »
the lotus engine type you have is based on the old vauxhall 1800- 2200cc but with an alloy block and twin cam head. did you buy just the unit or did you but the whole car? If you bought the whole car I would like to puchase some parts from you if willing? I have one in my garage at the moment needing a few parts.

George.
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« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2008, 21:52:53 PM »
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 only just noticed this  

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« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2008, 22:07:07 PM »
the history of the vauxhall engine is quite interesting, yes it does look a bit lik a v8 because it started off as a GM v8 sliced through the middle for the british market, a chap called Bill Blydenstein done a huge amount of work on these engines and I think one of the last ones was a 2600cc twin cam monster run on twin 48s or 50s!!
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« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2008, 22:44:37 PM »
Colin chapman did indeed use iron vauxhall blocks as testbeds for developing the heads but totaly redesigned the block when done. Vauxhall chose the slant 4 so it could share a production line with a v8 - they dreamed of all their cars running either a 4 or a v8 from this line. This never happened. LOTUS chose the slant 4 because it would sit lower - for better handling, lowering the mass over the front wheels and alowing low, wedgeshaped front ends, or in my case, lots of room under the bonnet


edit - sorry no bits for sale, i just bought an 912 engine and 2 gearboxes (a 4 speed and a 5 speed)
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« Reply #26 on: June 07, 2008, 11:05:12 AM »
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Break booster? I feel like an idiot for asking but wos that then?

hello Jan.

its even called a brake servo.

greetz paul.

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greetz Paul.

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« Reply #27 on: June 07, 2008, 19:50:40 PM »
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hello Jan.
 



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its even called a brake servo.

oh, you mean the doodah    



 

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