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Wanted Pats module with both keys and key receiver from a later type 11/97 to 5/98 24v BOB scorpio. It has the writing SCP pats module on the sticker.

Its for a new project involving a jaguar 3.0 duratec engine / automatic conversion and I want to test if I can use a separate pats module instead of the instrument cluster that Jaguar uses.

If it works this would open new possibilities to do a jaguar 3.0 duratec engine swap using its own jaguar loom and ecu in a Ford.

Thanks in advance.

Paul.


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Re: Wanted Pats module with keys and key reciever from a late type BOB.
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2017, 18:45:08 PM »
Is the PATS part of the cluster?

Modern (ish) Fords use the engine and cluster for the PATS.

You might have to reprogram the PATS with Forscan or ELM327 to make this work.

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Re: Wanted Pats module with keys and key reciever from a late type BOB.
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2017, 19:41:57 PM »
Yes the jag has a C type pats (in the instrument cluster).

However the B type pats module like used in the later Scorpio's and the C type pats use the same protocols and SCP network. Even the pinout is the same. If I remove the cluster off the SCP network and if I can get the B type pats module to work on the ECU that would mean I can build a complete stand alone ecu/loom for the jag engine, fuel pump and gearbox and can get rid of everything else.

That would be a great time saver and a great simplification of the wiring loom and the wiring would than be more or less the same as the 24v BOB witch means that we than have a new and relative inexpensive way to swap the duratec v6 engines in older cars


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Re: Wanted Pats module with keys and key reciever from a late type BOB.
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2017, 19:49:09 PM »
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You might have to reprogram the PATS with Forscan or ELM327 to make this work.

I know I have to pair the pats module to the ecu. Specially for that purpose I ordered a modified ELM327 last week. I have never heard that someone tried to swap out the C type pats for a B type pats. So I guess I will be the first one to try it. Fingers crossed on this one.

Now I just need to find a pats module with both keys and a transceiver ring.
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Re: Wanted Pats module with keys and key reciever from a late type BOB.
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2017, 07:30:16 AM »
The pats module and keys are sorted and on its way.
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Re: Wanted Pats module with keys and key reciever from a late type BOB.
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2017, 09:29:16 AM »
Nice one.
Why does it have to be a BOB one? Is that due to the protocol used?

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Re: Wanted Pats module with keys and key reciever from a late type BOB.
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2017, 16:57:53 PM »
There are (dual) ISO and there is a SCP pats module. I don't know what the difference is between the 2 pats modules. Its very difficult to find information about this.

To went safe I bought the SCP pats module as the eec5 ecu from a scorpio uses a SCP network.

I have decided to first go with the Jag's instrument cluster (with its pats system) and get a working system and modify the functions I don't need with the ELM327. The reason for it is that if I want to build a standalone system I also need a ABS speed signal to keep the ECU happy as there is no other way to give the ecu a speed signal and I need a rpm gauge that works with the SCP network or a workaround as the ecu has no provision for a separated rpm signal.

If I got everting up and running I can experiment with the separated pats module. For that purpose I also will buy a other ECU. This way I can keep the original setup and its pats programming intact.
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Re: Wanted Pats module with keys and key reciever from a late type BOB.
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2017, 19:49:43 PM »
If you should need another setup I have everything from a '98.. Complete car loom with keys, pats module etc etc. also a Tack ECU I believe. I am using a BOA loom/ECU/AFM for now so I don't need this. (I do need the engine loom as I'll be going to Megasquirt later on and need the connectors to make that loom)

I'm in Zolder, Belgium
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Re: Wanted Pats module with keys and key reciever from a late type BOB.
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2017, 20:13:43 PM »
Thank you Tomas.

I will keep this in my mind. Zolder is nearby my place as I live just over the border behind Maasmechelen.

With the megasquirt I would advice to also buy there loom as the quality of the BOB engine loom is rubbish and it will make you live a lot easier. This way you only need the connectors. Ohh and go for the assembled ms3.57 with the expansion board as the MS1 and 2 are limited and as far as I me is told, the sales and later the support of the MS 1 and 2 will stopped as soon as the MS4 arrives.

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Re: Wanted Pats module with keys and key reciever from a late type BOB.
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2017, 18:50:36 PM »
Yes I noticed that when I twisted the bob loom the insulation just cracked up  :rolleyes: , going to use the Megasquirt loom with the bob connectors, indeed sir.
I've got a big box with all the wiring and sensors, I'll only need the VIS thingys and the engine loom for the connectors. The rest of it you can come collect for free if you'd like!

I originally wanted to have the ecu modified by Dave but it isn't compatible (tack) so going the MS route now, ITB's are also on the menu but not for now as I have another project that needs attention first. The MS3 looks good indeed. I was also looking at this Microsquirt option but not much info on this, any experience on this maybe?
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Re: Wanted Pats module with keys and key reciever from a late type BOB.
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2017, 19:47:22 PM »
Your beter off with the MS3. The microsquirt is a $300,- MS2 based entry level ECU and is very limited in features and output ports. This means you also need a IO-box Expander witch is a other $270,-. If you look at the cost, there is only a $100.- ( about 80 euros) difference in price with the assembled MS3 ECU with the MS3X expansion board witch gives you a lot more options and controle.

So its no brainer to me. I have one in the capri v8.

   

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Re: Wanted Pats module with keys and key reciever from a late type BOB.
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2017, 20:37:53 PM »
Thanks for the info and you're absolutely right but I'm not looking for all out power on the BOB though, just a decent 220/230ish hp with the VIS controlled, that's why I was looking at the Microsquirt as an easy way out :D   But it should have an output for the VIS then ofcourse! I'll look into that next winter, I need the Capri running this summer haha
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