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Title: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on May 11, 2010, 21:14:32 PM
Thought you would like to see some pic's had some really good help from a lot on this forum .
(http://i1042.photobucket.com/albums/b426/gartrac/v624v/V6Escort013.jpg)
With the old 2.8i TT Engine.
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Car
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(http://i1042.photobucket.com/albums/b426/gartrac/v624v/nikoncamra010.jpg)
Sump
(http://i1042.photobucket.com/albums/b426/gartrac/v624v/IMGP0011.jpg)
Manifold R/H
(http://i1042.photobucket.com/albums/b426/gartrac/v624v/IMGP0018.jpg)
Turbo manifold

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(http://i1042.photobucket.com/albums/b426/gartrac/v624v/IMGP0009.jpg)
Turbo on engine

(http://i1042.photobucket.com/albums/b426/gartrac/v624v/IMGP0143.jpg)
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Engine in car
(http://i1042.photobucket.com/albums/b426/gartrac/v624v/nokiac5014-1.jpg)
Title: 24v turbo 4x4 escort
Post by: cossiemk2 on May 11, 2010, 21:27:09 PM
That is a very nice car mate.

I love the fab work on the manifolds    

I wish I had the time and space to build a car like that.

Got any pics of the suspension setup?
Title: 24v turbo 4x4 escort
Post by: v6gerry on May 11, 2010, 21:55:51 PM
Quote from: cossiemk2
That is a very nice car mate.

I love the fab work on the manifolds    

I wish I had the time and space to build a car like that.

Got any pics of the suspension setup?
Hi yes i have i built the car about 20 years ago , i've only just learnt how to get pic's on to site thanks to another member . will sit down one night and put pic of the complete build , nearly sold it last year but decided to put a 24v engine in and turbo ,  it's running  on a emerald K3 think it needs a bigger turbo as the boost is dropping off from about 3500 rpm down to 3psi.
Title: 24v turbo 4x4 escort
Post by: cossiemk2 on May 11, 2010, 22:04:31 PM
Ow ok looking forward to see more pics.

I'm not educated on turbo matching mate.

What are you running now?
Title: 24v turbo 4x4 escort
Post by: v6gerry on May 11, 2010, 22:45:28 PM
Quote from: cossiemk2
Ow ok looking forward to see more pics.

I'm not educated on turbo matching mate.

What are you running now?
its a 4x4 cosy turbo t3 . it has 243bhp@5000 rpm and 290lbft@ 3883 rpm which is quit good for first r/road its great to drive .
Title: 24v turbo 4x4 escort
Post by: Leebay on May 11, 2010, 22:45:44 PM
Very nice Gerry!   Yeah those exhaust manifolds look abit tasty
Title: 24v turbo 4x4 escort
Post by: v6gerry on May 11, 2010, 22:55:20 PM
Quote from: Leebay
Very nice Gerry!   Yeah those exhaust manifolds look abit tasty
Yeah thanks mate cost a fare bit , now i no how to get pic's up on site i will put some more on , How is yours coming on ? do you no any one that recon p/s pump mine wines sounds abit like a super charger its P ing me off .
Title: 24v turbo 4x4 escort
Post by: Leebay on May 12, 2010, 07:31:50 AM
Yeah not too bad, I want to get a adjustable rear beam next or modify mine. Only problem I`ve got is no room to work on it in the workshop now I`ve got that mk2 fiesta stored in there aswell.

I cant think of anywhere locally fella but a mate of mine has just had the power steering pump his Merc lorry recon`d so I`ll find out for you.
Title: 24v turbo 4x4 escort
Post by: Dave2302 on May 12, 2010, 18:28:04 PM
Lovely job Gerry, very nice install.

I'm doing a 24V V6 Cossie BOB 4x4 Puma atm, almost finished the back end install now. Full build pics on http://www.skyewheelnuts.co.uk]www.skyewheelnuts.co.uk "In The Shed".

As I'm gonna Rally it it's having the N/A BOB in it first, then over the winter I'm gonna re build my spare engine into a 2.5 litre "short stroke" BOB twin turbo for it, using a 2.3 Cologne Crank with Explorer 4.0 con rods.

Cheers Dave
Title: 24v turbo 4x4 escort
Post by: v6gerry on May 12, 2010, 22:34:26 PM
Quote from: Dave2302
Lovely job Gerry, very nice install.

I'm doing a 24V V6 Cossie BOB 4x4 Puma atm, almost finished the back end install now. Full build pics on http://www.skyewheelnuts.co.uk]www.skyewheelnuts.co.uk "In The Shed".

As I'm gonna Rally it it's having the N/A BOB in it first, then over the winter I'm gonna re build my spare engine into a 2.5 litre "short stroke" BOB twin turbo for it, using a 2.3 Cologne Crank with Explorer 4.0 con rods.

Cheers Dave
Hi looks a good project reminds me of when i started mine ! post some pic's when you got it finished.
Title: 24v turbo 4x4 escort
Post by: ShaunPC on July 04, 2010, 15:36:24 PM
Great looking car that, is it a genuine gartrac escort?
Love the engine conversion too, would be amazing to see what it will make with 10lbs boost through it.
Title: 24v turbo 4x4 escort
Post by: v6gerry on July 06, 2010, 19:19:49 PM
Quote from: ShaunPC
Great looking car that, is it a genuine gartrac escort?
Love the engine conversion too, would be amazing to see what it will make with 10lbs boost through it.

well i'll let you decide on that !! it running 7psi at mo and made 243 bhp and 290lb tq , but the boost is dropping to 3psi @3300rpm don't think the turbo is man enough . will get time to sort it soon .
Title: 24v turbo 4x4 escort
Post by: Dave2302 on July 08, 2010, 10:30:41 AM
Quote from: v6gerry
Quote from: ShaunPC
Great looking car that, is it a genuine gartrac escort?
Love the engine conversion too, would be amazing to see what it will make with 10lbs boost through it.

well i'll let you decide on that !! it running 7psi at mo and made 243 bhp and 290lb tq , but the boost is dropping to 3psi @3300rpm don't think the turbo is man enough . will get time to sort it soon .


Hi Gerry,

The 4 pot turbo yr using is too small, you will need a GT2836 Garret or similair.

HTH Dave
Title: 24v turbo 4x4 escort
Post by: v6gerry on July 08, 2010, 16:48:56 PM
Quote from: Dave2302
Quote from: v6gerry
Quote from: ShaunPC
Great looking car that, is it a genuine gartrac escort?
Love the engine conversion too, would be amazing to see what it will make with 10lbs boost through it.

well i'll let you decide on that !! it running 7psi at mo and made 243 bhp and 290lb tq , but the boost is dropping to 3psi @3300rpm don't think the turbo is man enough . will get time to sort it soon .


Hi Gerry,

The 4 pot turbo yr using is too small, you will need a GT2836 Garret or similair.

HTH Dave

Hi Dave i thought it might be only used it because the old 2.8 tt used one do you no if the gt2836 is the same bolt pattern as the one i'm useing ?? what do the gt2836 come off ,
Gerry
Title: 24v turbo 4x4 escort
Post by: Dave2302 on July 08, 2010, 19:09:12 PM
AFAIK the bolt pattern is the same, don't know if they fitted to anything standard, but can be bought on internet easy enuf.

Cheers Dave
Title: 24v turbo 4x4 escort
Post by: v6gerry on July 08, 2010, 22:54:45 PM
Quote from: Dave2302
AFAIK the bolt pattern is the same, don't know if they fitted to anything standard, but can be bought on internet easy enuf.

Cheers Dave
thanks for info will see what i can find .
Gerry
Title: 24v turbo 4x4 escort
Post by: Damocos on July 14, 2010, 17:15:12 PM
Gerry, i have bought a KKK27 turbo for my conversion. Got it new off ebay for £250. Originally off a DAF Lorry but is big enough to blow low boost effectivley  There are plenty of 'big' turbo's on there atm
Title: 24v turbo 4x4 escort
Post by: v6gerry on July 15, 2010, 22:07:36 PM
Quote from: Damocos
Gerry, i have bought a KKK27 turbo for my conversion. Got it new off ebay for £250. Originally off a DAF Lorry but is big enough to blow low boost effectivley  There are plenty of 'big' turbo's on there atm
Hi thanks for the heads up , will it be ok for higher RPM as lorrys only rev low ?
Title: 24v turbo 4x4 escort
Post by: Damocos on July 15, 2010, 22:34:13 PM
Quote from: v6gerry
Quote from: Damocos
Gerry, i have bought a KKK27 turbo for my conversion. Got it new off ebay for £250. Originally off a DAF Lorry but is big enough to blow low boost effectivley  There are plenty of 'big' turbo's on there atm
Hi thanks for the heads up , will it be ok for higher RPM as lorrys only rev low ?

Yeah it will be fine..... The turbo was also fitted to a lot of 5 cyl audi quattro's  I think its cos the air it pumps is more than enough to feed 6 cyl's and it wont loose that much boost as it goes through the system. I have been told that it should start producing boost at approx 2800 rpm then make good boost at around 3200 rpm. But until i finish mine and try it i cant say if thats the case but it should go ok.....
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort (update)
Post by: v6gerry on February 05, 2014, 20:18:36 PM
Hi the escort has gone very well with the turbo 24v BOA in had to uprate the clutch as the std cosy escort item just slipped once the boost was sorted out , so in went a Alcon 6paddle clutch and must say how nice it was to drive with just a tiny bit heavyer then the esco one , we had some live mapping done taking boost up to 9to10psi and pushed the timing as much as we could , the car really flew and the low down torque was great  :blink:, it developed a rattle in mid range rpm just for a second or two then went away , I thought it was ( det ) but when I got it on the road last year it drop number 6 cyl , after checking compression number 6 was dead , so off with the heads to find gasket on No6 was damaged , still this rattle was niggling me so decided to take it all out and strip it down ,only to find No 6 piston was very badly cracked, so this was my rattle I've been hearing bad small end play due to crack . was going to rebuild it my self tho decided now to get it done by Fieldmotorsport with fully floating low comp pistons ARP bolts, rods will be treated and crank to , and what ever else needs doing ,  he use to do my brothers YB for rallycross , he a very nice guy and I can trust him , will get the engine back dyno run ready to go .pictures are on the link below



 Author Topic:24v V6 engine  BOA turbo piston damage 

Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: Lemon-Ade on February 05, 2014, 21:45:16 PM
Should be a good year then this one mate  :mellow: ready for summer then ?

maybe borrow a gearbox off your bro, just to check if they working right lol  ;)
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on February 05, 2014, 22:05:02 PM
yes should be good after being laid up last year, I'm quite excited now  feels like a big weight been lifted of me, and I no i'll have a big bill to settle but it will be right , !!! what did you mean about gearbox's mate .

Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: Lemon-Ade on February 05, 2014, 22:11:39 PM
I meant try the sequential gearbox of your brothers  :wacko: and tell him your doing him a favour testing it, to make sure its ok
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on February 05, 2014, 22:20:29 PM
yer that would be good LOL ! but would have to mod G/box tunnel , but 6speed with easy change ratios would be the bollocks tho with posey shift light on dash !!!!!!!  ;D

it was made by elite transmisions
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: robrs2 on February 06, 2014, 18:27:38 PM
What injectors were you running?
Just getting my BOB set up for a GTX3582R, going to be using skyline 370cc injectors for a start. Looking for 330 to 350 bhp max.
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on February 06, 2014, 19:25:26 PM
hi the bob injectors are different to boa , mine are Delphi 330 got them from emerald
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: robrs2 on February 06, 2014, 19:53:13 PM
Yep side feed.
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on February 06, 2014, 19:57:30 PM
are bob one's same as cosy YB ?
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: Damocos on February 06, 2014, 22:27:46 PM
Hey Rob, I am using 440cc Scooby STI injectors  ;) They fit our side feed rails perfect with the Ford O rings  ;D 330bhp was no problem with the flow.

Gerry, Good luck with the rebuild  ;) Gonna be sweet when done  :laugh:
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on February 07, 2014, 19:02:22 PM
Cheers damocos certainly will be not looking for big numbers but should be around 350bhp the plenum will hold it back ! got p off chasing companys for piston and then getting it all machined ok , so for a peace of mind took it up to tom . can,t wait now to get it back in and drive the old girl again .

Hows yours coming along ??
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: robrs2 on February 07, 2014, 19:57:30 PM
Spotted the Subaru injectors on your build. I may get some as I would need plugs for the ones I have. Did you uprate the fuel pump?
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on February 07, 2014, 20:06:36 PM
Hi I did on my escort got a bosch 044 and replaced all the fuel line to aeroquip with -6 fittings and adjustable fuel regulator
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: Dave on February 08, 2014, 00:41:55 AM

Nice Escort that & a well done conversion.

I wouldn't have used that turbo but if your happy then that is what matters.
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on February 08, 2014, 10:31:26 AM
Hi Dave it seems ok with the std boa but i'll chat with tom about it now we going low comp but don't have much room for a bigger one as its close to inner wing now , maybe do a hibread conversion on the T3 ? was happy the way it pick up low down shame i didn't get it back on the rollers before it went pop .
i've built the car from a bare shell about 25years ago (could'nt afford a GARTRAC so built one but 4WD ) i altered the shell for suspension pick up and made the tunnel still has origanal floor and sills bulkhead  , and made the rear arms and hub carriers , rose joint one end and bushes the other end ,

Gerry
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: cossiemk2 on February 08, 2014, 13:12:16 PM
I was thinking of converting a Mk4to 4WD a few years back.

There's plenty of space up front for a longitudinal engine up there.

Do you have any pics of the front/rear suspension Gerry?
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on February 08, 2014, 14:39:31 PM
the front is all xr4x4 with leda coil overs 2.25 springs . the rear i'll try and get some pic up if i can find them , shame i can't load them stright from my pc rather then through photo bucket which i get problems with .
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: robrs2 on February 08, 2014, 16:35:39 PM
Converted a mk4 for someone a few years ago. Fitted the Sierra beam. Goes in nice

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/robrs2/Misc/DSC00348.jpg)
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: Damocos on February 09, 2014, 08:28:37 AM
Cheers damocos certainly will be not looking for big numbers but should be around 350bhp the plenum will hold it back ! got p off chasing companys for piston and then getting it all machined ok , so for a peace of mind took it up to tom . can,t wait now to get it back in and drive the old girl again .

Hows yours coming along ??

Has no interior atm, apart from that its good to go  ;D Its just time has been against me in the last 12 mths so its taken a back seat. Will be out again by spring  ;)
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on February 09, 2014, 11:22:29 AM
that's good then I remember you saying now when I pop in to your works a while back , yep hope mine will be at shows this year can't see any problems but you no how cars are !!!!!!! looking 4ward to getting new engine in  ;D

Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on February 16, 2014, 12:52:06 PM
small update on engine , spoke to Tom this week , said he got some pistons in which he thought would be suitable but wasn't happy with the crown and a measurement on them  so sent them back , now has spec what is needed and getting them custom made by his suppliers
will be 4to 6 weeks till he gets them , which I'm really pleased about , also spoke about the t3 which might get the front changed to push more air making the T3 into a T38 ( he lost me about the turbo as I'm not gen up on them, will run with his suggestion )  all looking good  :mellow:
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: Dave on February 18, 2014, 23:23:29 PM
The thing is with all the old turbo's they are just that old designs.

Geoff at TT was working on the design of the T3's back in the 70's when he was at Garrett.
O.K they have been updated over the years but they are based on old idea's, tech & pre computer modeling.

For example that 2.8 TT engine you took out.
I have been advising a guy with one of them, all it has is forged piston's extra to the original build.

Got rid of the old T3 & replaced it with a GT2860RS with a custom T3 turbine housing from the U.S so it simply bolts in place.

It out spools the T3 & is good for another 100bhp compared to the TT T3.

The MFI is proving hard to get right but it pulled over 300 ft/lbs on first run, fuelling was too bad to go over 4500rpm but still managed 240bhp on 12psi.

Once fueling is sorted that old 2.8 will be over 350 ft/lbs & 300bhp plus on tweaked STD MFI.
A good 30-40% increase on the old TT set-up yet it will spool up faster & give a wider spread of power.

That's how much difference a modern turbo can make to an old install.
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on February 19, 2014, 20:47:40 PM
Thanks for that input Dave yes I can see where your coming from , will talk it through with tom ,  may have to alter my inner wing to get another turbo to fit .

Gerry
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: robrs2 on February 19, 2014, 21:25:47 PM
Move the turbo forward a bit. Looks like you have room behind the headlight
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: Dave on February 19, 2014, 21:36:25 PM
On a turbo car the turbo is what dictates the character of the engine, people talk about compression, cams, inlets etc etc but the turbo will have the biggest effect on how the engine performs. So the turbo choice is critical!

A GT2860RS is no good for a 24v by the way, your looking at something like a GT3582 or similar. But again it depends what you want from the install as to what turbo to choose.
So mods to get the right turbo to fit are well worth it!


Thanks for that input Dave yes I can see where your coming from , will talk it through with tom ,  may have to alter my inner wing to get another turbo to fit .

Gerry
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on February 19, 2014, 21:55:44 PM
Move the turbo forward a bit. Looks like you have room behind the headlight

don't want to have new manifold made , so its going to have to bolt on to my manifold , the engine bill will be big enough so no budget for manifold .
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on February 19, 2014, 22:01:47 PM
On a turbo car the turbo is what dictates the character of the engine, people talk about compression, cams, inlets etc etc but the turbo will have the biggest effect on how the engine performs. So the turbo choice is critical!

A GT2860RS is no good for a 24v by the way, your looking at something like a GT3582 or similar. But again it depends what you want from the install as to what turbo to choose.
So mods to get the right turbo to fit are well worth it!

What ever it makes on the dyno I will tell tom just to set power to around 350bhp no more so I'm not looking for big numbers just a good engine that picks up when you give it a boot full , just like it did before doing a piston !!


Thanks for that input Dave yes I can see where your coming from , will talk it through with tom ,  may have to alter my inner wing to get another turbo to fit .



Gerry
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: Dave on February 19, 2014, 22:12:54 PM

Do you have a dyno graph from before to look at?

You're putting half again the exhaust flow a YB would put through the turbo so it should choke up! It should be on full boost before 2500rpm due to the amount of exhaust flow & start to become restrictive at higher rev's.

What's the turbine housing A/R ?
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on February 19, 2014, 22:30:10 PM
no dyno graph it was RR at emerald when I first put this engine in with there ECU , had trouble with boost dropping off to 3psi dave said the turbo wasn't up to it (not big enough ) he was good went through a lot of things , we even changed injectors to 320 to reach good power , it made 243 bhp and 290 toque with boost problems . spoke to Tom about it and he said I needed a bleed valve to control boost he sent one down I fitted it and we had loads of boost ,and tom remapped it live and the car flew  :laugh:.
Think ex is  .48 and turbine is  .42 its a STD cosy 4x4 unit
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: Dave on February 19, 2014, 22:52:37 PM
A dyno graph would be very interesting to look at because that turbo should not be able to flow the exhaust output from a 2.9 V6 at high revs.

At a guess I would say it spools very early, loads of low down power then drops power as the exhaust starts to choke up.

Graph would look very much like a supercharger one, which would explain why you like driving it on the road.  ;D
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on February 19, 2014, 22:58:03 PM
i'll see if I can get it loaded up on here .
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: Damocos on February 20, 2014, 09:46:53 AM
Spotted the Subaru injectors on your build. I may get some as I would need plugs for the ones I have. Did you uprate the fuel pump?

Yep, I stuck in a Walbro 255 internal jobby.  Seems well up to the job ;)
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: Dave on February 23, 2014, 11:28:53 AM
The 2.8 is back on the dyno soon as the fueling is said to be sorted so we will see how much better it is with a new design of turbo.

The reason the bleed valve worked on your install is because you have so much back pressure in the turbine section of the turbo as it's too small.

The exhaust pressure combined with the boost pushing against the actuator spring simply opens up the wastegate before it's setting as the exhaust pressure becomes excessive.

By fitting the bleed valve especially if it's the type with a bearing in it or ECU controlled you remove some of the force on the actuator so it can cope with more exhaust back pressure.

Exhaust back pressure robs you of power, creates very high EGT's which causes detonation, reduces the life of your engine & turbo.

Can you see how it all fits!

The turbine section of the turbo is too small.

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You can see in the log above of a car I have worked on.
The turbine section on this car was too small. It made 300bhp but once a larger turbine was fitted & in this case a more efficient compressor too it made 400bhp on the same boost.

Green is boost, orange is back pressure at the turbine & red is RPM.

By 4000rpm it had more pressure in the exhaust system than it had boost pushing into the inlet. So power nose dived as you started to get reverse flow.
A cam with less duration would have been useless in this situation, a common mistake.
EGT's where hitting 1050 c but once the new turbo was fitted they dropped by 100 c yet the engine made 100 more bhp!!! The detonation limit raised by almost 10 degree in the mid range.
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: TimoXr4i on February 23, 2014, 12:04:10 PM
hi dave,

how did you guys make that amount of power with MFI? i really got stuck with fueling for 200 bhp. only other item i could imagine using is the porche carrera gt2 MFI measuring head and injectors. but, as far as i could find the injectors from that porche are the same as in the xr4i, but, it has a lot of a bigger fuel pump, and an inlet and outlet witch are actually designed instead of made by a vulcano eruption. my current, worked heads have been on the flow bench, and they can flow very much more than the 188.8 horses they do rightnow, the guy who did the measuring told me it could make an easy 200 bhp each, but, the design of the heads with the siamesed ports wont allow the heat buildup. he suggested remachine the inlet, and fit 6 large LGP injectors, and start on petrol using a single start injector like i'ts already has.
i ditched that idea. i later spoke to a german guy who was into the MFI tuning on volvo's and porches for the historical group A racing (he has a really cool, but very, very ugly volvo 240 turbo with big hp), but he told me, if you have the option, go for EFI, saves you a lot of trouble...

so, that's what i'm doing, i'm going for grey (joachim) style/skogenracing style 2.9er with a big lorry turbo and megasquirt, found the MFI way to frustrating....
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: Dave on February 23, 2014, 12:19:29 PM
Firstly Tim I have had nothing to do with the MFI as I don't know enough about it, when I ran a 2.8 MFI I used extra electronic injectors for fueling the extra power.
That was about 300bhp, used to do 13.1-5 quarters.

The graph above is not from the 2.8 car.

Originally the car spent a day at a MFI specialist who worked on the fueling & said it was spot on, even said he had seen over 300 bhp on 12psi!

When it went for final results on another dyno luckily he followed my advice & monitored everything that showed the fueling was terrible. The session was abandoned.

Now the metering head has been re-worked by another company & also the injectors are adjustable.

He has the ability to flow up to about 45% more fuel than before so will max out around 300bhp which was the target.

Yes EFI is far better & easier in every way! He just wanted it old school = nightmare lol

Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: TimoXr4i on February 23, 2014, 12:54:17 PM
that was my issue also, it ran lean, terribly lean, infact that lean, the O2 sensor from the rolling road burned twice... i also had a few ingnition problems, making it even leaner. changing the whole ignition did help a bit, but i couldnt get enough fuel in to go over the 200 bhp border.

it ran pretty near the 200 bhp (around 196 bhp) with the coldstartinjector on full fire while the wur was disconnected, but that's cheating and "uncontrolled". dit make it run less lean, and made the max power on less revs.

the TT extra injectors could be a source of extra bhp, using some electronics to trigger them on revs instead of trigger them on the mapsensor, but why? that's why i stop the 2.8, stop the "custom" efi project, and just build a 2.9 with megasquirt or such, way simpeler, cheaper, reliabler
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on February 25, 2014, 20:12:38 PM
A little update , I've striped the paint off them , and had them vapour blasted to get rid of all the years of tarnish from the insides ,this is the result
, off to the painter now to get 2K painted same as the car ,
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Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on February 25, 2014, 21:05:50 PM
A dyno graph would be very interesting to look at because that turbo should not be able to flow the exhaust output from a 2.9 V6 at high revs.

At a guess I would say it spools very early, loads of low down power then drops power as the exhaust starts to choke up.

Graph would look very much like a supercharger one, which would explain why you like driving it on the road.  ;D
Hi dave here is the R/Road graph from emeralds the first time it was set up .
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Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on February 27, 2014, 21:13:03 PM
some pic's of when i was building car back in the early 90's(http://i1042.photobucket.com/albums/b426/gartrac/13110937-7e2e-4f3e-8b11-3b7b46b4424d.jpg) (http://s1042.photobucket.com/user/gartrac/media/13110937-7e2e-4f3e-8b11-3b7b46b4424d.jpg.html)
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Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: cossiemk2 on February 28, 2014, 13:25:50 PM
I like your build Gerry.

Did you mount your diff rigid into the rear frame?

I had that to but the noise/vibration was terrible.

That's why I suspended mine seperatly.
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on February 28, 2014, 18:29:57 PM
Hi yes diff bolted solid into frame , and the frame has 10mm anti vibration rubber in between the  mountings and body work , the suspension arms have mk1 escort tca bushes one end mounted to the frame and R/joints the other end as you see in picture , all works very well with no noise .
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: robrs2 on February 28, 2014, 21:08:11 PM
Looks good . What are the rear uprights based on.
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on February 28, 2014, 21:46:45 PM
Looks good . What are the rear uprights based on.

Hi they were made by LEDA to suit the car I spoke to them they told me what measurements they needed so done that and they made them , they are very much like the front coilovers which are xr4x4 .

Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: Lemon-Ade on February 28, 2014, 22:02:35 PM
That's a proper job you made of the shell  :thumbsup: looks great Gerry
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on March 01, 2014, 10:38:05 AM
Thanks ade every one seems to cut all the floor and wings out these days , which i think is a lot more work . my pistons are being made in germany and will  have a REF number which people can order through Tom .is your getting more bits added to it looking more like a engine ? ;)
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: cossiemk2 on March 01, 2014, 14:36:26 PM
Do you have a spare block Gerry or are you rebuilding the old one?
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on March 01, 2014, 19:14:16 PM
what do you mean by the spark block the pack which the 6 HT leads come out of ??
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: cossiemk2 on March 01, 2014, 19:16:24 PM
No I mean a spare engine block.....
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on March 01, 2014, 20:06:43 PM
SORRY I miss read your post !! yes I had a bob engine which I broke up , so using that block with my boa crank and rods ,
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: Dave on March 09, 2014, 21:45:17 PM
Great work on the shell mate!  :2tu:

Yeah the graph tells the story.

You can see by the boost plot & torque curve the wastegate has control by 2600rpm. This means you have reached the max turbine flow by about 2600rpm. The wastegate can usually give you another 15% at least or so on top of that depending on it's size then when you hit that limit the back pressure is going to really ramp up & start to cause reverse flow in the combustion chamber as you have more exhaust pressure than intake killing power.

The drop in power reduces exhaust flow but you still have so much back pressure due to higher revs that the wastegate is forced open. The two combined causes the boost drop in your case because we know the compressor can flow enough air for that power.

A restricted exhaust flow creates high EGT's combined with the slightly lean mapping on that graph that again causes high EGT's is what killed your piston due to detention caused by extreme EGT's.

You have stuck a turbine section intended for a 2.0L engine onto a 2.9L.

The bleed valve reduces the boost pushing on the actuator so it can withstand the back pressure for longer.
However you will see the same happening again just higher up the rev range or if you run more boost.
Also the turbo will never make the same power on the 2.9 engine it can on the YB, the turbine will limit it just like the washer's fitted to restricted mopeds!



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Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on March 11, 2014, 18:20:51 PM
Thanks Dave it does make some sence to me but don,t really under stand it to be honest , like all things I will talk to tom about it ,

thanks for your input Dave .
gerry
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: turboshed on March 12, 2014, 22:57:39 PM
The only way to see if your turbo is too small (which it is) would be too monitor exhaust pressure pre-turbine and also compressor side.compare the 2 over the power map and you should see a peak of back pressure and the fall off bhp
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: Dave on March 12, 2014, 23:09:27 PM
Yeah like as Gray says once you have 4 bits of info in graph form it will all make complete sense.
You can see exactly what is happening & how they affect each other.

Boost + exhaust back pressure pre turbo + EGT at input of turbine + torque plot


As a general rule (except VNT's etc) if the turbo hits a bar of boost before half max rev's it's too small.
But again it depends what you're looking for. If your happy that's what matter's.
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on March 14, 2014, 19:09:48 PM
thanks for all your input guys but its getting toooooooo deep for me to understand (sorry guys ) will post up when engine is dyno but it still might have the T3 on as im doing a new plenum for it and prob won't be ready in time , so will change things then cos the STD plenum we all no will restriced the engine .

cheers gerry
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on April 21, 2014, 21:49:41 PM
small update been doing a bit while waiting for engine to be done , as it gets a little warm inside of car on long journeys , so lined tunnel back to gear stick hole with heat reflective matting , took me most of a day with making cardboard templates and edging each piece all round with the foil tape  , it turned out good well pleased hope it works , next job is to alter inner wing for bigger turbo as the T3 is about 15mm off inner wing , (http://i1042.photobucket.com/albums/b426/gartrac/17032014320.jpg) (http://s1042.photobucket.com/user/gartrac/media/17032014320.jpg.html)

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Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on May 07, 2014, 21:44:57 PM
Got my parts back from powder coating , and spraying , got to wet sand paint of the cosworth badges to show alloy . no news as yet on engine still waiting for piston to arrive  :rolleyes:(http://i1042.photobucket.com/albums/b426/gartrac/DSCF2380.jpg) (http://s1042.photobucket.com/user/gartrac/media/DSCF2380.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: capri71 on May 07, 2014, 21:52:02 PM
like the blue… looks mint :mellow:
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on May 07, 2014, 22:06:48 PM
Cheers bud its same blue as the car ,
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: capri71 on May 07, 2014, 22:49:30 PM
Its very nice as blues go. Ive decided on blue for my covers too but not sure if i fancy a flat crinkle or a nice shiny metallic. VHT do a fake anodise system with a silver base and coloured lacquers that caught my eye too. Yours looks proper moody and should stand the heat no problem when you think how bonnets get heat cycled. Can't wait to see them on the engine :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: Lemon-Ade on May 08, 2014, 15:20:22 PM
Looking really nice there mate  :thumbsup: its the time to do it all while you wait. The pistons must be any day now?
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: mk2 cossie on May 08, 2014, 17:11:28 PM
those parts look very good indeed Gerry  :mellow:

How long have you had to wait for the pistons so far?
It's bloody annoying when something like that holds up the build  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on May 08, 2014, 17:21:34 PM
Its very nice as blues go. Ive decided on blue for my covers too but not sure if i fancy a flat crinkle or a nice shiny metallic. VHT do a fake anodise system with a silver base and coloured lacquers that caught my eye too. Yours looks proper moody and should stand the heat no problem when you think how bonnets get heat cycled. Can't wait to see them on the engine :thumbsup:
thanks its only car paint 2k but solvent not water bourn paint , will look loads better then the flaking paint that was on them was corroided as well . time will tell with the heat !!!!
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on May 08, 2014, 17:31:17 PM
Looking really nice there mate  :thumbsup: its the time to do it all while you wait. The pistons must be any day now?
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Cheers mate yep get the little bits out the way , I've altered the inner wing ready for a bigger turbo  ;D  , I did think the wait would be longer then what tom quoted but  it out of my hands , got to phone tom about something see if he has heard anything , won't make the pod on 1 june now sadly . :'( Don't want him to rush it now , be ready when its done ,
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on May 08, 2014, 17:43:58 PM
those parts look very good indeed Gerry  :mellow:

How long have you had to wait for the pistons so far?
It's bloody annoying when something like that holds up the build  :rolleyes:

Hi took engine up there end of jan , Tom got piston in which he thought would be ok for it , but wasn't happy with them so back they went , decided to get them spec made got drawing sign off and about 3/4 weeks ago they got in touch with him and wanted something confirmed so sent the drawings back to him to be ok , he said they are now   being made as we speak so won't be long ,
that's about all I no , at least I no it will be ok when I pick it up , and he will dyno it so back into car, get  MOT and play  :2tu: ;D.
Hows your going now you got the emerald on it ?
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: mk2 cossie on May 09, 2014, 22:24:45 PM

Hi took engine up there end of jan , Tom got piston in which he thought would be ok for it , but wasn't happy with them so back they went , decided to get them spec made got drawing sign off and about 3/4 weeks ago they got in touch with him and wanted something confirmed so sent the drawings back to him to be ok , he said they are now   being made as we speak so won't be long ,
that's about all I no , at least I no it will be ok when I pick it up , and he will dyno it so back into car, get  MOT and play  :2tu: ;D.
Hows your going now you got the emerald on it ?

It's geting there slowly, just need to get to track and road still  :rolleyes:
But finding the time with it as my only form of transport is a bit of a tricky one  :-X
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on May 09, 2014, 22:44:26 PM

Hi took engine up there end of jan , Tom got piston in which he thought would be ok for it , but wasn't happy with them so back they went , decided to get them spec made got drawing sign off and about 3/4 weeks ago they got in touch with him and wanted something confirmed so sent the drawings back to him to be ok , he said they are now   being made as we speak so won't be long ,
that's about all I no , at least I no it will be ok when I pick it up , and he will dyno it so back into car, get  MOT and play  :2tu: ;D.
Hows your going now you got the emerald on it ?

It's geting there slowly, just need to get to track and road still  :rolleyes:
But finding the time with it as my only form of transport is a bit of a tricky one  :-X

at least your using it  ;) all things like this you have to make time for it , as all we seem to do is chase our tails LOL !!! spoke to Tom ( engine builder ) today and he had just spoken to them about pistons , as he is waiting for 6 sets of piston to arrive as his customers are on his back , mainly race engine and racing is well under way now . he said he should have all 6 sets within 2weeks , and we will prob change the T3 compressor to a T4 to pump more air into the V6  ;D so won't be long now !
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: Lemon-Ade on May 11, 2014, 10:19:04 AM
T4 FTW  :2tu: Tom is more than a builder he does the whole package, a very well respected tuner, dyno operator with great customer service.

He supplied and built an engine recently in a rs500 for someone I know and he is very pleased with Tom  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on May 11, 2014, 16:01:53 PM
yes mate he no his stuff for a yb people say its Tom or Harvey gibbs  !! he dose it all mate the only stress I've got is I want my engine back ! but that is out of mine and Tom's hands at mo , tom said they said within the next to weeks  :2tu: I've altered my inner wing ready for the T4 its only about 1inch bigger in o/a dia !i'll post a pic up when I've painted it back in with inner wing . how is yours going mate ?
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on June 20, 2014, 22:31:21 PM
Hi all they here the long awaited pistons for my new low comp 24v engine . Tom said they are good for 800 bhp !!!! won't be long now might be on the dyno this time next  :  . (http://i1042.photobucket.com/albums/b426/gartrac/IMG_0047.jpg)[/UR
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Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: mk2 cossie on June 21, 2014, 00:21:01 AM
Very nice indeed Gerry  ;D

Shame to hide them inside the engine though  :o

Just realised the heat proof mat pics further up, looks very good fitment wise. Was it all a swine to fit?
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on June 21, 2014, 09:49:31 AM
mm yes shame they wont be seen  :'( the matting took me all day I made cardboard templates then trimmed the matting in and sealed the edges with foil tape , should help to keep cockpit cooler  ;D
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: Lemon-Ade on June 25, 2014, 20:41:52 PM
Yay  ;D they look fantastic Gerry and the matting works a treat mate, it made a noticeable difference for me. I don't think you'll be disappointed.

Mk2 cossie, Looks like no ones getting to track and road  :thd: too much work all round.
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on June 25, 2014, 22:22:52 PM
Cheers ade , yes I think it will help a lot to , tom said he will try and get those cams cos they will make a lot of differents !!!
 I CAN'T WAIT  :2tu:
I guess it sounds like your to busy with work mate so RR will have to wait a while then ??
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: Lemon-Ade on September 14, 2014, 20:15:58 PM
Still no time for me  :rolleyes: booked solid till the end of the year.

Any news on yours yet  :wacko:
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on September 14, 2014, 21:02:15 PM
Hi mate that's good you got plenty of work on , still waiting on head gaskets going to another 2weeks  :( that's the way the cookie crumbles, be worth it when its done ! out of my hands mate ,
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: Lemon-Ade on January 24, 2015, 11:57:09 AM
Any updates on the engine Gerry ? I tried to call you today but you couldn't talk I hope all is going well.
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on January 26, 2015, 22:10:09 PM
Hi Ade I pop up to have a look just before xmas , still waiting on ml head gaskets , but as we been waiting for so long for these Tommy said he was going to order copper ones , ive said I want car back on the road for easter . going to call him later this week to see whats been going on , just tried to load a couple of pics up but photobucket don't seem to be working !!!!!!! . apart from the long wait ive had it all looks nice sitting there on its stand .
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on January 30, 2015, 20:32:19 PM
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Hi Ade I pop up to have a look just before xmas , still waiting on ml head gaskets , but as we been waiting for so long for these Tommy said he was going to order copper ones , ive said I want car back on the road for easter . going to call him later this week to see whats been going on , just tried to load a couple of pics up but photobucket don't seem to be working !!!!!!! . apart from the long wait ive had it all looks nice sitting there on its stand .

Spoke to Tommy today and he has ordered the copper gaskets hopes to have them in the next couple of weeks , so hopefully should be getting my engine back soon  ;D cant wait .
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on February 06, 2015, 18:35:50 PM
Hi managed to get some picture up
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: Lemon-Ade on February 06, 2015, 19:43:31 PM
Looking good  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: Heath Robinson on February 06, 2015, 22:19:56 PM
Yeah, looks tidy with the block painted up.
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on February 07, 2015, 21:35:26 PM
cheers guys , yes supprised what a coat of paint will do but its whats inside that matters .
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: mk2 cossie on February 09, 2015, 13:03:19 PM
Very nice Gerry  ;D

So it should all be back together for spring time then  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on February 09, 2015, 21:44:35 PM
I bloody hope so getting p off with it now . going to call them again 2moro .
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on March 19, 2015, 20:26:08 PM
Hi every one,  a small update still waiting on head gaskets  :'( but ive been told they will have them very soon in there work shop so can't wait , was told 3 weeks  that was a week ago !! so a heads up if any one is thinking of using mls or copper gaskets get them in good time as ive had a long wait ,
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on April 10, 2015, 21:41:06 PM
THE GASKETS ARE IN WONT BE LONG NOW  :2tu:
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: Lemon-Ade on April 11, 2015, 20:28:26 PM
Great news mate , roll on the dyno time  :2tu: :2tu:
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on April 12, 2015, 09:06:48 AM
yep cant wait now hope it can make 350 with std plenum might have to change the injectors to bigger ones got 320cc in at mo ,  I will be pleased with that  ;D
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: Dave on April 13, 2015, 22:35:19 PM

Sounds exciting.  ;D

The injectors will be maxed out but can just do 350ish.

Just make sure it's at least a 255L pump & you may have to rise the fuel pressure a bit.
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on April 14, 2015, 19:07:38 PM
thanks dave for imfo the pump is a new bosch 044 , I've have adjustable fuel reg to . have to see what happerns on engine dyno when Tommy maps it .
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: mk2 cossie on April 15, 2015, 23:09:01 PM
Sounds like it will be ready in time for the summer then Gerry  :mellow:
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on April 16, 2015, 17:42:01 PM
Hi yes I do hope so its been so long now !!!!
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on July 12, 2015, 21:49:23 PM
Hi got engine back now made 359bhp and399 torque so really pleased  :2tu
Be back on road soon yeppppy
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: T4T on July 13, 2015, 01:15:08 AM
Great result , engine looks shiny too !!
Enjoy
Matt
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on July 13, 2015, 12:50:25 PM
Yes it does look nice and clean at mo made those figures with my injectors did think I might have to change them ( Delphi  320 ) @ 90% cycle and on the std plenum
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: mk2 cossie on July 13, 2015, 13:15:16 PM
Very nice Gerry  ;D

how long to fit it back in the car?

Or is it already in and running?  :o
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on July 13, 2015, 21:28:26 PM
hi paul hope to have it back on the road at end of the month  :thumbsup:    ill see if I can get a vid up on the  dyno
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: fordrwd4ever on July 13, 2015, 22:07:36 PM
Are you going to FordFair with the car?
Would be nice to see it again,
(You still owe me a cuppa coffee :angel: )
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: whiteestate on July 13, 2015, 22:12:39 PM
Looks fab that motor ! is it a twin turbo setup ?
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on July 13, 2015, 22:19:38 PM
hi no as im away then just the way things paned out and I didn't think car would be on road it still might not be yet , yes ive not forgotten your coffee , looking forward to getting car back together tho .
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on July 13, 2015, 22:21:38 PM
hi no single turbo not room for two ,
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: fordrwd4ever on July 14, 2015, 00:00:46 AM
hi no as im away then just the way things paned out and I didn't think car would be on road it still might not be yet , yes ive not forgotten your coffee , looking forward to getting car back together tho .

The coffee was just a joke..
I was just wondering if your car would be @ FordFair this year..

Got my Fiesta a bit tuned up and am taking it on the track again.
(now @ 138hp and 240Nm torque, a lot more than the 100 hp it came with)
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: Lemon-Ade on July 14, 2015, 20:28:07 PM
Hi got engine back now made 359bhp and399 torque so really pleased  :2tu
Be back on road soon yeppppy

Looks great mate  :2tu: just the numbers you asked for as well. Not long now, it will certainly be worth the wait.
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on July 15, 2015, 17:54:37 PM
Hi Ada yes been a long time as you know but yes made a bit more then I ask for pleased with the numbers  ;D just got to get it back together now got the clutch now .
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: Lemon-Ade on July 21, 2015, 19:32:26 PM
How's it going then mate .  ;D
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on July 21, 2015, 22:20:11 PM
hi mate going ok got it back in and most of it bolted up machining front pulley down made a big differance I got it in with both EX manifolds and front diff on so well pleased there , got put turbo back on and exhaust down pipe and mid section , then all pipe work and other bits looks good back in the bay  :tup:
ill do a bit more 2moro night .
have you got a heads up for a good bolt supplier ?
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: Lemon-Ade on July 22, 2015, 18:57:25 PM
Orbital fasteners if there are any around your area  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on August 20, 2015, 22:21:34 PM
Picture of my new look bay with new engine  [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: Lemon-Ade on August 21, 2015, 21:39:41 PM
Looks fantastic mate, well done it really looks smart in there now  :2tu: are you on the road now then?
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: mk2 cossie on August 21, 2015, 21:48:10 PM
Very nice indeed Gerry  ;D
It must be on the road, as mine is currently off it with a broken coilover  :rolleyes:

Cant be far off being completed tho surely, the engines in the hole so there cant be that much to join up now ;)
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on August 21, 2015, 22:01:45 PM
Thanks ade yep all road legel again  ;D the rad is leaking so got to find a new one think ill go for a alloy one , cant afford to loose the waterless coolent !!!

Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on August 21, 2015, 22:03:50 PM
Very nice indeed Gerry  ;D
It must be on the road, as mine is currently off it with a broken coilover  :rolleyes:

Cant be far off being completed tho surely, the engines in the hole so there cant be that much to join up now ;)
Hi yep its all done on the road but got leaky rad so new one needed , running waterless coolent
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on September 12, 2015, 21:21:41 PM
Hi got new rad from air-tech a cosy YB item and have cut the pipes off and redrilled rad to suit the  24v engine , back off holiday 2moro so will pick rad up off my friend who alloy welded pipes back on will get picture up soon , that's it for now .
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: mk2 cossie on December 28, 2015, 23:01:26 PM
Hows the install going on this Gerry?

Not seen or heard it driving about yet  ;D
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on April 21, 2016, 21:56:06 PM
Hi Paul yes back on road now after a big problem all going ok at mo you might here a V6 burble in your neck of the woods !!!!! Feels strange to drive after a long time off road !!
Hows your going ?
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: mk2 cossie on April 22, 2016, 13:24:52 PM
Glad to hear it's back on the road  ;D

I know what you mean about feeling strange after they haven't been used for a while though  :-
Shall try and keep an ear out for you on your travels though  :mellow:
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: Lemon-Ade on April 28, 2016, 21:47:36 PM
Bet your having fun now mate  :wacko: just need spring to get started now lol
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: fordrwd4ever on April 29, 2016, 17:44:23 PM
Great that your car is finally on the road again.

Once the weather gets a bit better, you can enjoy driving it ;D


Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on May 04, 2016, 21:56:07 PM
yep im sure am all going well at mo , thanks for your kind replys chaps  :2tu:
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on August 14, 2016, 09:30:35 AM
its now all going ok dare I say im not quite sure if the T4 turbo is the best match its a little laggy low down but fine from around 2500 rpm I still got to take it back to Tommy for him to adjust the map live so that might help , will see what he says about different turbo , I went with T4 cos it bolted straight on so didn't need a new manifold ,
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: mk2 cossie on November 28, 2016, 13:46:05 PM
Could always go for a gt series turbo on there Gerry  ;D

Glad its all going OK, you don't realise how much you enjoy driving an old car til you haven't had it for months  :-X
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on August 06, 2017, 10:43:40 AM
Could always go for a gt series turbo on there Gerry  ;D

Glad its all going OK, you don't realise how much you enjoy driving an old car til you haven't had it for months  :-X

Hi Paul yes i thought about the GT turbo , i had a chat with tommy and looks like a boug waner twin scrol is the way to go , lots of ££££ and a new manifold will be needed , but for now im just loving jumping in and driving it .
hows yours going now got the new plenem fitted ?
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on November 04, 2017, 10:33:00 AM
HI im trying to find a rear blade type adjustable ARB for my escort if anyone knows where i may get one from please let me know please cheers

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Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: mk2 cossie on November 05, 2017, 16:08:10 PM
Is the one that Rally Design list for Sierra with compression struts any good to use?
There's a few different thicknesses and they list the parts seperately too  ;D
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on November 05, 2017, 19:55:50 PM
yes ive know of those ones but not adjustable , and have heard they not to good ! Thanks for the heads up  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: mk2 cossie on December 15, 2017, 13:44:06 PM
Any luck with the rear ARB for the Escort Gerry?  :mellow:
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on December 18, 2017, 21:15:57 PM
Hi Paul yes ive found two companys ive just got to have a measure up , may have to make a new fuel tank but i was going to any way ,
hows yours going have you tried the new plenum yet ?
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on December 14, 2018, 22:24:13 PM
Hi guys thought it was time to refub the rear suspension on my escort , [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]  [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: bigro007 on December 26, 2018, 00:33:22 AM
Hi
where did you get those piston if ok by you thank

bigro007
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on December 26, 2018, 19:27:52 PM
hi the pistons where sourced by Field motorsport who built my engine if you contact him im sure he help , they in Essex ,
cheers
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: bigro007 on December 26, 2018, 20:43:23 PM
oh thank you mate
i would need there adress and email because i live in canada lol merry christmas and happy new year

bigro007

calgary alberta canada
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on December 27, 2018, 17:25:52 PM
type in Field Motorsport in google and it comes up go on there website and you can contact them from there,
another guy on here, in Members projects My 909 3 door  Lemon Ade, also got piston made by another manufactuare i think his where Arrow pistons .
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: bigro007 on December 27, 2018, 20:52:49 PM
yes
thank yes i did just that now i will be waiting for answer so yes in a couple day we should see waht they say i dont see any post from lemond is he still on the site? did anyone did a mk1 capri4x4 and have photo about it ? thank again for the replied and merry christmas and happy new year to the folk in the uk and around the world
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: v6gerry on December 28, 2018, 08:48:19 AM
lemon ade is in members projects , im in members cars so are you . yes his posts are still on here ,
Title: Re: 24v turbo 4x4 MK3 escort
Post by: bigro007 on December 29, 2018, 02:55:43 AM
ah ok
because i didn't see any of his post that is why ok not a problem thank