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Title: 24V Turbo Bargain?
Post by: KIB on August 31, 2008, 11:58:21 AM
Hi
Was just looking at www.topbossperformance.co.uk, they‚‚žÂve got a new bargain for the 24V.
I quote:

News!

We‚‚žÂve updated the a garage in derby shop this week and hope to keep uploading more and more parts as they come in, go check it out now and grab yourself a bargain.

Speaking of bargains did you know a garage in derby Performance are offering a single turbo conversion for the Cosworth 24 valve? For £2,500 we can give you 400bhp from a single T4. For more details have a look at our online shop‚æ

The shop!

We‚‚žÂre now offering a single bolt on turbo conversion for the Cosworth 24 valve engine. Using a T4 turbo mid boost will provide between 340 ‚€€œ 360 pounds of ft torque! We'll need your car for about a week and our custom tubular manifolds are also included.


Is it just me or did that sound a bit strange?
A bolt on conversion? Doesn‚‚žÂt that normally mean no modifications required to the engine, or at least the internals?
400bhp from a single T4 turbo with standard internals??
Title: 24V Turbo Bargain?
Post by: tt225 on August 31, 2008, 13:42:31 PM
sounds good, no doubt plus vat though...
Title: 24V Turbo Bargain?
Post by: Super 12v on August 31, 2008, 15:05:17 PM
Their demo car when I spoke to them was on standard internals. Just after it spun a main. Personally I think some of of their comments are comical, sorry I meant interesting :D lol

Rob
Title: 24V Turbo Bargain?
Post by: capri v8 driver on August 31, 2008, 18:45:19 PM
Quote from: Super 12v
Their demo car when I spoke to them was on standard internals. Just after it spun a main. Personally I think some of of their comments are comical, sorry I meant interesting :D lol

Rob

did they have a decent dyno sheet this time, whit other people as a witness? it can be done, but how long did the engine live after fitting the turbo whit 15 to 20 psi? it would be the first stock 24v whit 400 hp whitout holes in the stock pistons.   you are right, rob, some of of their comments are commercial, sorry I meant interesting    

greetz paul.

capri v8 driver.
Title: 24V Turbo Bargain?
Post by: Tony on August 31, 2008, 19:48:53 PM
heard/seem loads of cars done there.
eermm!
rewired a few. no further comments!
Title: 24V Turbo Bargain?
Post by: Jari H on August 31, 2008, 21:36:09 PM
I've driven thousands of miles with stock Boa @14psi boost. No holes in pistons.
Don't know anything about TB, but that blue GOA 5W doesn't convincing me.
Title: 24V Turbo Bargain?
Post by: Dave on August 31, 2008, 22:51:30 PM
Well it would be nice to say some positive stuff about Top Boss but all I can really say is they make their conversions look very good, great for photographs.

I would say a STD internal 24V making 400 on 1 bar is possible but it would be right on the limit.
Everything would have to be spot on & intake temps as low as possible.
Probably still end up with frequent engine rebuilds!

Depends what the T4 AR is but if they say it can make 360lbs then it sounds to me like the turbo is to big as it should hit just over 400lbs  

I agree the Blue TB car looks mega etc but the graph for it is terrible, I have seen a YB with more low down crunt than that car


Shame
Title: 24V Turbo Bargain?
Post by: IansSaph on September 01, 2008, 10:01:49 AM
Quote from: Dave
Well it would be nice to say some positive stuff about a garage in derby but all I can really say is they make their conversions look very good, great for photographs.

I would say a STD internal 24V making 400 on 1 bar is possible but it would be right on the limit.
Everything would have to be spot on & intake temps as low as possible.
Probably still end up with frequent engine rebuilds!

Shame

I agree, its not the kind of car you'd be providing customers with is it!!!

A companies reputation is built around its WORST car, you could pay £2500 and easily blow it up on way home and have nothing good to say about the company.

Cars supplied to customer should be as Bullet proof as possible, your reputation depends on it.

Driving your own car at its limit is different.

A realistic 'safe' 300bhp would be a better option IMO
Title: 24V Turbo Bargain?
Post by: Janspeedcapri on September 01, 2008, 12:05:35 PM
I was looking into the various old time tuners ages back, before getting the janspeed kit. I seem to remember someone saying that topboss are descended from or related in someway to either sprintex, allard or oselli or one of the other old names...can't remember who now but the was told they were good...glad i gave em a miss now  
Seems the realy talented and skilled oldtimers have retired from the scene and the names have lost their currency - Janspeed are a prime example - they used to be in the same league as Downton (janos was there at one point), TT etc but now the janspeed name is just a commercial gimmick attached to rubbish exhausts and coilover kits  from china  The best exhaust systems ever made for the 2.8 were magnex apparently. I digress...oops
Title: 24V Turbo Bargain?
Post by: Retrac on September 01, 2008, 12:18:35 PM
Yes i bought a 24v xr4x4 from them...When i went to pick it up the guy out of the garage showed me how you could get it to smoke all four wheels round there little industrial estate while doing 7 thousand rpm....not the best sales pitch....Engine lasted less than 200 miles...to be fair i dont think they had touched the engine but driving it like a idiot didnt do it any favours.....i was new to the v6 game at the time and have since learned about the joys of over reving....  
Retrac.


(Post edited to remove an offensive word) Dave.
Title: 24V Turbo Bargain?
Post by: IansSaph on September 01, 2008, 12:23:20 PM
Quote from: Janspeedcapri
I digress...oops

Nick.... off topic.... never!    

i agree, aside from Mapping which takes practice, there is little a 'tunning' company can do for you that you arn't able to workout for your self with the right reasearch.

Do we need a Dyno shoot out and invite them down to prove THEY are the experts?

the wealth of information the internet provides removes the illusion of perfection from named tunners.

maybe i'm wrong..... (again...)

Quote from: Retrac
Yes i bought a 24v xr4x4 from them...When i went to pick it up the guy out of the garage showed me how you could get it to smoke all four wheels round there little industrial estate while doing 7 thousand rpm....not the best sales pitch....Engine lasted less than 200 miles...to be fair i dont think they had touched the engine but driving it like a idiot didnt do it any favours.....i was new to the v6 game at the time and have since learned about the joys of over reving....  
Retrac.

Sorry, but thats really funny,  Point proved.

(Post edited to remove an offensive word) Dave.
Title: 24V Turbo Bargain?
Post by: capri v8 driver on September 01, 2008, 12:56:24 PM
Quote from: IansSaph

Do we need a Dyno shoot out and invite them down to prove THEY are the experts?


do you think they show up?

greetz paul.

capri v8 driver.
Title: 24V Turbo Bargain?
Post by: IansSaph on September 01, 2008, 13:44:40 PM
he he, nah, i don't mate, i think they'd insist on using their own Dyno....
Title: 24V Turbo Bargain?
Post by: KIB on September 01, 2008, 14:15:18 PM
Quote from: capri v8 driver
did they have a decent dyno sheet this time, whit other people as a witness? it can be done, but how long did the engine live after fitting the turbo whit 15 to 20 psi? it would be the first stock 24v whit 400 hp whitout holes in the stock pistons.   you are right, rob, some of of their comments are commercial, sorry I meant interesting    

greetz paul.

capri v8 driver.


Quote from: Dave
Well it would be nice to say some positive stuff about a garage in derby but all I can really say is they make their conversions look very good, great for photographs.

I would say a STD internal 24V making 400 on 1 bar is possible but it would be right on the limit.
Everything would have to be spot on & intake temps as low as possible.
Probably still end up with frequent engine rebuilds!

It wasn‚‚žÂt my intention to start another ‚€¦‚Å“campaignÂ‚Ý against a garage in derby. I have never done business with them, haven‚‚žÂt even talked do them.
But when most of you guys on here says that a good condition BOA with single or twin turbo will handle 0,7 bar but that‚‚žÂs around the limit and the output will be around 300bhp that‚‚žÂs figures I can belive in. But that‚‚žÂs still 100bhp under what a garage in derby claim they‚‚žÂre conversion will do‚æ

I‚‚žÂd be quite pissed if I paid £2500 for a conversion that would kill my engine within a few miles/weeks...


Quote from: Janspeedcapri
I was looking into the various old time tuners ages back, before getting the janspeed kit. I seem to remember someone saying that topboss are descended from or related in someway to either sprintex, allard or oselli or one of the other old names...can't remember who now but the was told they were good...glad i gave em a miss now  
Seems the realy talented and skilled oldtimers have retired from the scene and the names have lost their currency - Janspeed are a prime example - they used to be in the same league as Downton (janos was there at one point), TT etc but now the janspeed name is just a commercial gimmick attached to rubbish exhausts and coilover kits  from china  The best exhaust systems ever made for the 2.8 were magnex apparently. I digress...oops

Interesting what you write about Janspeed. This kind of information you wouldn‚‚žÂt know when sitting in Noway (or Norway) surfing the net.
It‚‚žÂs the same about a garage in derby. If I was a novice in 24v‚‚žÂs and never had been a member of this BB I might have considered buying I kit from them‚æ

Back to Janspeed - May be a bit of topic but I started this topic‚æ.
I‚‚žÂve been thinking about buying a Janspeed exhaust for my Capri, always thought they where the best available... But they are just rubbish?? And Magnex is the best?
What about the Ashley or Capri club international exhaust, rubbish too? I know Ashley is a bit loud that's all.

Title: 24V Turbo Bargain?
Post by: Janspeedcapri on September 01, 2008, 15:50:55 PM
Quote from: KIB
Back to Janspeed - May be a bit of topic but I started this topic‚æ.
I‚‚žÂve been thinking about buying a Janspeed exhaust for my Capri, always thought they where the best available... But they are just rubbish?? And Magnex is the best?
What about the Ashley or Capri club international exhaust, rubbish too? I know Ashley is a bit loud that's all.

ian -  

kib - ive had a capriclub exhaust - still got the tube manifolds if anyone wants them....the rest rotted away  
Janspeeds have a nasty drone at 80mph that will soon piss you off. The company name Janspeed has been bought and sold several times so means nothing. If you look at the overaxle bends on there current  system, you'l see they are kinked/crushed...as standard  
Magnex are no longer available BUT there is a secondhand system on the bay at the mo   if i was running n/a they'd be gone now  
I'm going to get a custom, single system (cos i running single turbo) built onto the car last job, by powerflow...and i'll be watching them do it with a beedy eye

added trivia, just for Ian cos i know he loves my off topic rambling   - Janos Odor was the main man behind Downton engineering, till they got the heave ho from longbridge. he went off and started Janspeed, got his son into touring cars but gave up everything when Keith was killed in germany when his righthooker primera got t boned by an audi a4. thats when Janspeed ended as far as I'm concerned.
Title: 24V Turbo Bargain?
Post by: IansSaph on September 01, 2008, 15:57:23 PM
Quote from: Janspeedcapri
ian -  

I'm going to get a custom, single system (cos i running single turbo) built onto the car last job, by powerflow...and i'll be watching them do it with a beedy eye

 

Powerflow do need a good watching. and price varies from outlet to outlet massively. I had a full system done on my (errm) XR3i cabriolet (i was young!) the work and fit was perfect but i personaly think he could of done from the maniold flange as easy as the weld he did under my sump. £240 all in couldn't be matched anywhere tho, that was in Lancaster, same system from an outlet in cheshire was over £400
Title: 24V Turbo Bargain?
Post by: capri v8 driver on September 01, 2008, 20:25:13 PM
Quote from: KIB
It wasn‚‚žÂt my intention to start another ‚€¦‚Å“campaignÂ‚Ý against a garage in derby. I have never done business with them, haven‚‚žÂt even talked do them.
But when most of you guys on here says that a good condition BOA with single or twin turbo will handle 0,7 bar but that‚‚žÂs around the limit and the output will be around 300bhp that‚‚žÂs figures I can belive in. But that‚‚žÂs still 100bhp under what a garage in derby claim they‚‚žÂre conversion will do‚æ

I‚‚žÂd be quite pissed if I paid £2500 for a conversion that would kill my engine within a few miles/weeks...
Interesting what you write about Janspeed. This kind of information you wouldn‚‚žÂt know when sitting in Noway (or Norway) surfing the net.
It‚‚žÂs the same about a garage in derby. If I was a novice in 24v‚‚žÂs and never had been a member of this BB I might have considered buying I kit from them‚æ

it was not my intention to bash them. but do a google search and you will not find many possitive reactions on a garage in derby. maybe there were very good when they started the company, but from what i heard and saw, i will not buy from them.

lets say it a other way, if you build a car whit a 24v twin turbo whit (claimed on there site) 520 hp engine and you want to sell the parts to the public, as a company, then there should be no problems to demostrate that on a dyno shootout to the public. or do i see that the wrong way? i would do it, its still good publicity for selling parts and the people know the company makes serieus parts. even if the engine only produces 500 hp on a other dyno then there one, it would still be a fantastic result.

but they never showed up on a dyno shootout nor did they demostrated the car on a track, as far as i know.

and in that regard, i rather would buy my 24v turbo parts from mickey j, because i know that his parts are proven on the track and by other members off this board and other forums.

sorry to say it like this, its just how i think about it.

greetz paul.

capri v8 driver.
Title: 24V Turbo Bargain?
Post by: Dave on September 02, 2008, 09:16:56 AM
This is not a Top Boss slag off post, Ford Power will not let this post turn into that as we are not that kind of site. All what is being expressed is opinions, if they are considered to extreme then it will be edited!


Almost any STD non boosted engine could be boosted with upto 10 psi & it would be O.K as long as it's done correctly & not bodged  
But it would not last as long as a STD non boosted engine, that's common sense.
Infact it depends how it's driven & how well the engine is set-up & looked after.


Pumping 15psi into the thing is living on the edge.
It could let go at any time, simple.


As for Top Boss well they need to prove what they say, then we would all shut up.  

I actually think Top Boss have done alot for the 24V engine, who else has promoted the 24V as well with mag centre photo shoots etc.
Title: 24V Turbo Bargain?
Post by: IansSaph on September 02, 2008, 09:41:44 AM
Agreed in full.

You'd assume they read this forum if not only to poach ideas or save on reasearch time, if they are reading it then i'm sure we'd all be up for a day of proving.
Title: 24V Turbo Bargain?
Post by: capri v8 driver on September 02, 2008, 13:58:26 PM
i wish they put the cars on a other dyno then there one and convince people, and make sure that there claims and work live up to the expectation, than they would sell alote more and the people will have more respect for them.

i would go to every dyno shoot out and prove the bashers wrong, if i where them. and shut the bashers up.

greetz paul.

capri v8 driver.





Title: 24V Turbo Bargain?
Post by: 3drpete on September 02, 2008, 21:22:46 PM
ive known the owner of the (garage in derby) for years and am very good mates with him , ive never had any problems with him, or his work, and think its wrong how people can put his work down on a public forum
if youve got opinions keep them to ya self!!!!

fair enough if people have had a bad run in with him, but as far as ive seen hes allways rectified the problem

rant over

pete
Title: 24V Turbo Bargain?
Post by: Dave on September 03, 2008, 01:45:14 AM
Yes there are always two sides to a coin  

I have never been or met any Top Boss guys.

Only ever had 2 phone conversations with someone who claimed to be the main man  

The second chat gave me the impression the guy had never worked on a 24V so I took my money else where.

I know some fairly well known tuners who say they would recommend Top Boss & other's that wouldn't.

To be honest I don't know what to think, all that I do know is some of the dyno sheets, testing & tech hype that comes from Top Bosses direction be it direct or general talk is either factually wrong, misleading or not that impressive.

Sorry just saying it how it is.

If they publish it or say it then it becomes public & people will say what they think.
If it is not info for the public then they need to get their house in order & stop it becoming public knowledge.
Every person in the free world has a right to an opinion & to express it.
However this BB's rule is it is done in a polite manner

If the owner wants to come on here he is very welcome.
I think the real trouble has been most of what has been claimed has not come direct from Top Boss so probably got hyped up.


Yes I agree the work should not be slated, however if the claims are not backed up with proper results be it drag strip, dyno or track how can they be trusted.
This is why the work is always questioned, Top Boss need results not hype.


I also think it best to move this topic to general discussion as there is nothing 24V techy here.
Title: 24V Turbo Bargain?
Post by: ShaunPC on September 03, 2008, 09:53:28 AM
Quote from: 3drpete
ive known the owner of the (garage in derby) for years and am very good mates with him , ive never had any problems with him, or his work, and think its wrong how people can put his work down on a public forum
if youve got opinions keep them to ya self!!!!

fair enough if people have had a bad run in with him, but as far as ive seen hes allways rectified the problem

rant over

pete

I agree that if you have had problems with a garage and they rectify the problems you should keep your opinions to yourself but if the problems are left to be rectified by yourself or if you for some strange reason you supply parts that get swapped for less good quality items or more worn items then have your rant and be safe in the knowledge that what you say is true.
 If you have no dealings with a garage at all keep your ill informed opinions  to yourself. (Actually your opinions are probably very well informed as mine are but some things are best left unsaid or said to the person directly instead of behind their back and on a public forum).
Title: 24V Turbo Bargain?
Post by: capri v8 driver on September 03, 2008, 11:36:21 AM
if i start claiming that i build a 1000 hp v8 capri, everyone wants to see it on a dyno shootout and on a track. dont you want to see it, if that what i said was true? yes, you want to see the carpi in action. most off use would see that. and its the same for a garage in derby or any other company that claim high hp figures. people want to see it in action, if on the track or on a dyno shootout.

if you claim something like a 520 hp out off a 24v, beter show it to the public, like i said before, even if the engine only produces 500 hp on a dyno shoot out, its still a fantastic result. and i am very sure that tb would be taken serieusly and not bashed anymore, if the showed it on a dyno shootout. and that did not happen yet.

now i give you a simple question:

you have 2500 pounds to spend for your 24v, where would you buy your parts?

you buy from a company that makes product's that are proven on the track and by other people.

or,

you buy from a company that makes product's that are claimed to make hp or be that good.

the only good advice i can give the people from a garage in derby, show your products to the people and back up your results that you claim on a dyno shoot out, and everyone will be quet and shut up.  

greetz paul.

capri v8 driver.

ps: i dont own a 1000 hp capri v8.
Title: 24V Turbo Bargain?
Post by: IansSaph on September 03, 2008, 14:22:03 PM
Quote from: capri v8 driver

the only good advice i can give the people from a garage in derby, show your products to the people and back up your results that you claim on a dyno shoot out, and everyone will be quet and shut up.  

greetz paul.

capri v8 driver.

ps: i dont own a 1000 hp capri v8.


I agree in full, i don't think anyone has said anything bad about the garage in derby, only we are 'impressed' with the figures and would like to see more and perhaps compare with our results.

There are some very knowledgeable people on this forum (i only consider myself to be one of the opinionated not knowledgeable ones) however we are all interested.

I expect the results of my current build to be heavily criticised and questioned and perhaps even complimented.  

I especially agree with Dave‚‚žÂs comment on the work they have done promoting this engine, few people give this engine the time of day, emphasised by the lack of tuning parts available off the shelf. The fabrication time alone in one of these conversions is immense.

Had that offer been £2500 for 300bhp i think it would of been received with more respect.

Tuning magazines and the industry its self is feeding the 'public' with high BHP figures everyday. in the world of 900bhp YBs, a once highly respected 350bhp is being snubbed. With stage one conversions often over looked,

In truth, i think anymore than 350 is probably wasted.

BHP sells engines........ (you know the rest)    
Title: 24V Turbo Bargain?
Post by: Retrac on September 03, 2008, 15:06:51 PM
Quote from: Retrac
Yes i bought a 24v xr4x4 from them...When i went to pick it up the guy out of the garage showed me how you could get it to smoke all four wheels round there little industrial estate while doing 7 thousand rpm....not the best sales pitch....Engine lasted less than 200 miles...to be fair i dont think they had touched the engine but driving it like a idiot didnt do it any favours.....i was new to the v6 game at the time and have since learned about the joys of over reving....  
Retrac.
(Post edited to remove an offensive word) Dave.
So pissed is not offensive where you come from then.....?Look at lower posts....While a cock is a male chicken...
Title: 24V Turbo Bargain?
Post by: capri v8 driver on September 03, 2008, 15:52:22 PM
Quote from: Retrac
So pissed is not offensive where you come from then.....?Look at lower posts....While a cock is a male chicken...

i sold alote off parts and cars, there is always one that breaks, just after i sold it. in that case i have 2 choises, fix it or give the money back. its that easy.

i would be pissed and go back and have a little chat whit them about the engine breaking whit in 200 miles.

you never told us, how the story ended.

greetz paul.

capri v8 driver.
Title: 24V Turbo Bargain?
Post by: Retrac on September 04, 2008, 00:12:26 AM
Basically i dint have a leg to stand on as i had transfered the engine into my race car be this time...However i have since built an engine myself and it has given me no problems all season...Once bitten twice shy as they say...
Retrac  
Title: 24V Turbo Bargain?
Post by: Dave on September 04, 2008, 01:05:12 AM
Retrac you called someone else it, that's naughty  
Where as if your pissed off then it's just you.

It's not the words used but the name calling that will upset people & possibly start a right slag off session.

Normally I wouldn't bother untill it flared up but any Top Boss thread has the potential to flare up rather fast.

So playing safe, sorry if it seems harsh but it has to be this way otherwise we end up with members just slaging each other off & everyone getting pissed off  

The net is already full of BB's like that!

One day hopefully there will be a dyno shoot out with boosted 24V's. Top Boss will be asked.
Title: 24V Turbo Bargain?
Post by: IansSaph on September 04, 2008, 09:24:12 AM
Quote from: Dave

One day  there will be a dyno shoot out with boosted 24V's.

Post edited by ian, word * hopefully * removed.      

agreed on the nature of this BB i like nice and friendly, any banter is obvioulsy intended that way. No offence is ment.
Title: 24V Turbo Bargain?
Post by: Retrac on September 04, 2008, 12:44:52 PM
Ok Dave,point taken mate....But if we are nit pickin i said he drove it like one not that he was one..  But yeah its hard to give an opinion on anything without upsetting someone...
Retrac.
Title: 24V Turbo Bargain?
Post by: popuptoaster on September 04, 2008, 14:21:16 PM
People have a right to express opinions, especially if someone else asks, ive had no dealings with any of the companies in this thread and so can only go by what i hear, if i hear more bad than good then its odds on there is a problem with a company, thats why customer relations is so important, i will always have a nosey poke around and ask questions of previous customers before commiting any money to anyone, even if its a big name in the game.

I have had bad experiences with Ashley exhausts in the past and am not shy about saying so, thats how the business world works, you supply good gear and look after your customers and they come back, and usually gring their friends, you mess people around and dont substanciate your claims and people will go elsewhere.
Title: 24V Turbo Bargain?
Post by: paul302289 on September 12, 2008, 12:07:00 PM
Quote from: capri v8 driver
do you think they show up?

greetz paul.

capri v8 driver.
if you are all talking about "a garage in derby" i know the place. got a t5 adaptor plate to go onto v6 bellhousing. worst piece of engineering i've seen and i'm no engineer. could have made a better one if i'd got a bit of 1/4 plate and chain drilled it, then filled it.
as for their conversions, bought a car a few years ago for parts that they had done, "oh my god" had never seen workmanship so bad, wiring loom unusable, lots of twisted wires and tape, fuel filter cable tied on, fuel lines flapping around by the fan................... it could go on and on.
Title: 24V Turbo Bargain?
Post by: capri v8 driver on September 12, 2008, 19:06:50 PM
Quote from: paul302289
if you are all talking about "a garage in derby" i know the place. got a t5 adaptor plate to go onto v6 bellhousing. worst piece of engineering i've seen and i'm no engineer. could have made a better one if i'd got a bit of 1/4 plate and chain drilled it, then filled it.
as for their conversions, bought a car a few years ago for parts that they had done, "oh my god" had never seen workmanship so bad, wiring loom unusable, lots of twisted wires and tape, fuel filter cable tied on, fuel lines flapping around by the fan................... it could go on and on.

i gues where are talking about the one and the same.

greetz paul.

capri v8 driver.
Title: 24V Turbo Bargain?
Post by: tiff on September 23, 2008, 15:49:47 PM
Quote from: paul302289
if you are all talking about "a garage in derby" i know the place. got a t5 adaptor plate to go onto v6 bellhousing. worst piece of engineering i've seen and i'm no engineer. could have made a better one if i'd got a bit of 1/4 plate and chain drilled it, then filled it.
as for their conversions, bought a car a few years ago for parts that they had done, "oh my god" had never seen workmanship so bad, wiring loom unusable, lots of twisted wires and tape, fuel filter cable tied on, fuel lines flapping around by the fan................... it could go on and on.

did you raise this with them at all? surely they should've been allowed a chance to rectify any issues?

there have been other outfits which have had their share of poor workmanship so bit unfair to jump on the bandwagon .....

some may know of my old car, and yes, I did have a few problems with it, but they were resolved without quarrel and cost to me......infact that same car is still going strong and just out from a repaint.
Title: 24V Turbo Bargain?
Post by: cossie on September 23, 2008, 20:21:48 PM
The 520 bhp run was done by DD demo engineer so nothing to do with TB I was there.

One more thing why don't ring streetracers they are mapping a blue xr4x4 TT fromTB as them what power its making
Title: 24V Turbo Bargain?
Post by: Dave on September 24, 2008, 00:00:02 AM

Oh god we are off again  

Cossie has had the last word topic closed.

Quote from: cossie
The 520 bhp run was done by DD demo engineer so nothing to do with TB I was there.

One more thing why don't ring streetracers they are mapping a blue xr4x4 TT fromTB as them what power its making