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Title: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on March 16, 2013, 23:56:18 PM
Hello! My nickname is puuhapete (Bob the Builder in English ) and i'm from Finland. Same nick is http://www.cosworthrsclub.com/keskustelu/.  I bought my Sierra 1992. This is 2.0IS model was sold Finland.  i´am little made it better later.I think. Powered by explorer 4.0v6 and twin turbo t3 / 4 hybrid. Bored and strokes 4260cc.
I hope you understood my message. I'm bad for your language, I'm sorry. But the cars are the same in all countries. =)

my website cardomain -> http://www.cardomain.com/ride/608540/1986-ford-sierra/

Regards
Pete
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri v8 driver on March 17, 2013, 08:22:00 AM
Welcome to ford power.

Very nice car and even beter engineering.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Lemon-Ade on March 17, 2013, 09:48:44 AM
Hello Pete

As paul said really mate awesome work gone into your car , well done and welcome to fordpower.

Your English is fine mate  ;D all understood .

Ade
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Grey on March 18, 2013, 09:05:29 AM
Hi Pete,
Welcome to Ford Power. We spoke a few years ago, I'm from Sweden, Skogenracing.  :blink:

Love your project, great work!


Terveh,
Joakim
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on March 18, 2013, 18:05:51 PM
Hi Pete,
Welcome to Ford Power. We spoke a few years ago, I'm from Sweden, Skogenracing.  :blink:

Love your project, great work!


Terveh,
Joakim
Thanks , I remeber You. Nice again listen. =)
Skogenracing = Many great,very fast and little crazy Fords, of course fine videos in Youtube. I like it.
Terveh => Terveisin  ;)
Pete
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Grey on March 19, 2013, 11:54:43 AM
Hi Pete,
Welcome to Ford Power. We spoke a few years ago, I'm from Sweden, Skogenracing.  :blink:

Love your project, great work!


Terveh,
Joakim
Thanks , I remeber You. Nice again listen. =)
Skogenracing = Many great,very fast and little crazy Fords, of course fine videos in Youtube. I like it.
Terveh => Terveisin  ;)
Pete

Kiitos. Suomi ei ole helppoa!   ;)
Anyways, welcome!

I have always wounder if the 4.0 limit is in the heads. When we tried it out it was very inefficient, so it was tougher to get much power out of it. What limits have you found?

Terveisin,
Joakim
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri v8 driver on March 19, 2013, 13:22:02 PM
Quote
I have always wounder if the 4.0 limit is in the heads.

Kronenburg in the Netherlands got 365 hp / 440 nm N/A out of the 4.0 v6, with some porting of the heads, a different cam, trottle body's and there own KMS engine management. These engine where used in the BRL race series.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on March 19, 2013, 15:45:19 PM

I have always wounder if the 4.0 limit is in the heads. When we tried it out it was very inefficient, so it was tougher to get much power out of it. What limits have you found?

Terveisin,
Joakim

Thanks!
Small valves, camshaft and valve springs very mild. Only 28kg seat pressure and open pressure ... I don`t remeber this but not good.
it is now installed
Seat Pressure at 50,8kg
Open Pressure ~130kg
I have not found anything else
Regards
Pete
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri v8 driver on March 19, 2013, 19:40:40 PM
Quote
Seat Pressure at 50,8kg
Open Pressure ~130kg

Stock spring specs (from 91 FSM) - stock springs are 60-65lbs on the seat@ 1.58", and 138-149lbs open at 1.22"

assembled height stock is 1.578-1.609"

Spring pressure is only 143lbs @ 1.22in avg. and that with roller lifters, that's very weak.

Comp Cams 988 springs, with Crane Cams 99947 retainers is a popular upgrade.  Seat pressure of around 110-115lbs and 275 or 280lbs open.

Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on March 19, 2013, 21:14:39 PM
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Seat Pressure at 50,8kg
Open Pressure ~130kg

Stock spring specs (from 91 FSM) - stock springs are 60-65lbs on the seat@ 1.58", and 138-149lbs open at 1.22"

assembled height stock is 1.578-1.609"

Spring pressure is only 143lbs @ 1.22in avg. and that with roller lifters, that's very weak.

Comp Cams 988 springs, with Crane Cams 99947 retainers is a popular upgrade.  Seat pressure of around 110-115lbs and 275 or 280lbs open.


Hi,and thanks information . I convert lbs to kg and I see they are very similar like to my springs.(Trick flow marker).

Pete

Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri v8 driver on March 20, 2013, 07:25:34 AM
Trick flow uses comp cam or crane springs. They don't make there own springs.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Dave on March 20, 2013, 21:58:04 PM
Hi Pete & welcome.

There was a nice 4.0L in Denmark.

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b228/DavidHoward/Forum/40L1_zps0ea12b4f.jpg)

Was built to a good standard with excellent machine work.

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b228/DavidHoward/Forum/40L2_zps036018df.jpg)


It made 660lbs @ 3800 RPM on 1.7 bar but they could only get 600bhp out of it.

Also it didn't last long as the crank bent & also there was head problems so they abandoned the engine as a bad idea!

The bottom end was top spec as well!

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b228/DavidHoward/Forum/40L3_zpsdd508dc2.jpg)

Knackered crank!

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b228/DavidHoward/Forum/40L4_zps950211d9.jpg)


Sorry to say the 4.0L OHV is not the best of engines for big power.

Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on March 21, 2013, 07:23:45 AM
Hi Dave!
Thanks these images. Look good jobs. Website adress?
Good blank. Block, crank, and cylinder heads must be replaced. ;D

Pete
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Grey on March 21, 2013, 11:07:29 AM
Hi Dave!
Thanks these images. Look good jobs. Website adress?
Good blank. Block, crank, and cylinder heads must be replaced. ;D

Pete

Thats Ravenz old engine. Now he runs a Cosworth 24v.
(http://www.ravenz.dk/index.php?page=galleri&sfpg=U2llcnJhIGRhcnRoIHZhZGVyLypEU0MwMDcwNy5qcGcqKmltYWdlKiowZTJhNTI3YjVmNzViZTBjMDA4YTYxMGQ0MGJjODkyMA)

You can find more info here: http://www.ravenz.dk
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on March 21, 2013, 13:32:08 PM
Excellent! He found second turbo. I think that now works well. :mellow:
I looked at their website. Professional quality job is a joy to watch
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on March 26, 2013, 10:53:06 AM
What are these Ravenz engine bearings coated?
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Dave on April 28, 2013, 10:13:25 AM
I also use coated bearings.

It's a Teflon type coating like what pistons have.

Reduces friction & heat build up.

Was mega expensive but now I think all of the main brands give you the option.

Them Ravenz guys like the old V6 Fords.

They ran a 500bhp 2.9 twin turbo engine, then the 4.0L 600bhp one & currently a 750bhp plus 2.9 24V version.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on July 24, 2013, 21:17:05 PM
I build sometimes again. About three years planned main bearing line. Ford friend make cad picture my measurement  and sketch, he follow it. This was  long project about three years total. But now it is  ready. I hope it is stronger and main caps life anymore.
Cad pic. (Thanks Timo V)
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/FordV6Runkolinja_zps3bdf82d8.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/FordV6Runkolinja_zps3bdf82d8.jpg.html)
Then almost ready
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20130425_002_zpsa3100f78.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20130425_002_zpsa3100f78.jpg.html)
include Eagle + Kb forged pistons and one piece main support
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20130716_008_zps44d6e16d.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20130716_008_zps44d6e16d.jpg.html)
BOB oil pan modified
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20130718_009_zps8ffbb712.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20130718_009_zps8ffbb712.jpg.html)
maybe one day I will continue again
Pete
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Grey on July 25, 2013, 07:29:44 AM
The 4L gives a really heavy sound and it really feels like a big engine.
Of course you should continue!  ;)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri v8 driver on July 25, 2013, 08:25:46 AM
That's the way to make a girdle.

Nice piece of work.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: cossiemk2 on July 25, 2013, 15:20:34 PM
That's a work of art right there.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Lemon-Ade on July 25, 2013, 19:43:27 PM
Very nice Pete , you should keep going mate.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Dave on July 25, 2013, 22:33:11 PM

Nice Pete  ;D


Just the type of thing we have all been talking about making!

I would pay you to make another for me if the 4.0L block was not so different to the 2.9's oh & the fact it must be custom made for your block to be right!

Of course you will carry on  :mellow:
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on July 26, 2013, 06:36:34 AM

Nice Pete  ;D


Just the type of thing we have all been talking about making!

I would pay you to make another for me if the 4.0L block was not so different to the 2.9's oh & the fact it must be custom made for your block to be right!

Of course you will carry on  :mellow:

Yeah thanks Dave!
 
4.0 block and oil pan bolts passenger side (UK) is about 1/2 "wider than the 2.9.
it need modified and measure CAD pictures.

But this girdle come very expensive for me. =/  Milling Work is 560£ + material 250-350£ and matching engine costs something your country. (honing etc.)

Pete
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Dave on July 27, 2013, 23:47:02 PM

Yeah I guessed it would be around 1000 pounds.

Material seems a lot, it's only mild steel isn't it???

Looks it in the picture I think!
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on July 28, 2013, 08:55:28 AM

Yeah I guessed it would be around 1000 pounds.

Material seems a lot, it's only mild steel isn't it???

Looks it in the picture I think!

Material is nomal fe50. Then burn cut and emit or release in the oven.
Right saying this?

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20130403_006_zps71f8c1eb.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20130403_006_zps71f8c1eb.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Dave on July 28, 2013, 10:19:51 AM
You have done it the same as I plan too & have suggested is best.

The local firm to me wants 150 pounds to burn a rough piece of steel the same as that.

Yeah it's cut on the machine, then cooled & then planed flat both sides.

Dave
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on July 28, 2013, 13:35:04 PM
You have done it the same as I plan too & have suggested is best.

The local firm to me wants 150 pounds to burn a rough piece of steel the same as that.

Yeah it's cut on the machine, then cooled & then planed flat both sides.

Dave

Fine! Maybe this then works well if more is same mind here process.
Your local firm price  to material is better than my.
Pete
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on July 29, 2013, 20:57:28 PM
This building way today.
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20130729_006_zps101ac1b0.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20130729_006_zps101ac1b0.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: whiteestate on July 29, 2013, 23:01:44 PM
This building way today.
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20130729_006_zps101ac1b0.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20130729_006_zps101ac1b0.jpg.html)
The turbos look too small lol !
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on July 30, 2013, 05:57:26 AM

The turbos look too small lol !

Yes, but low torgue is much better now!  ;D
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on July 31, 2013, 00:33:05 AM
Ready to install.
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20130730_007_zpsf50fd673.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20130730_007_zpsf50fd673.jpg.html)
No problems as yet.
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20130731_001_zps439cbbc9.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20130731_001_zps439cbbc9.jpg.html)

Tomorrow we go to Jyväskylä and enjoy the rally. N.O.R.F. I hope your country drivers succeed and glory.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Dave on August 08, 2013, 22:20:51 PM

Wow you're getting on with this!

Top job  ;D

Be back on the road in a matter of days at this pace!
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on August 09, 2013, 07:17:36 AM
First start last night. 11:00 pm.   :mellow:
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Grey on August 09, 2013, 08:07:48 AM
First start last night. 11:00 pm.   :mellow:

Good work!!!
Show us a road movies where you make some liquorice!  :wacko:
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on August 10, 2013, 07:21:58 AM
Thank you guys. Close to already have that can be run.
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20130809_003_zps36e450e4.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20130809_003_zps36e450e4.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri v8 driver on August 10, 2013, 07:47:53 AM
Its looking good.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Dave on August 10, 2013, 07:53:21 AM
I like it Pete  ;D

Currently I am doing what you have done with your air filter intakes.

Once I have done that the engine can go back in.

Sucking air from outside the engine bay should make a difference.

The last dyno work I did I monitored it all.

Ambient was 26 c, yet as you progressed through the power run the intake air at the filters hit over 40 c.
Turbo discharge temp increased temp by an even higher percentage.
The intercooler was good enough to get it back down to normal so actual air intake looked o.k.

However the chain (filter intake to cooler) shows a big problem that will hold the turbo's back & loose efficency.

That's why I am attacking my car with the grinder & going to suck in my air from the bottom of the bumper.

Will look just like yours. Top job mate! :mellow:



 
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on August 10, 2013, 08:49:45 AM
Yes, this is sometimes to think about and the best way is to put the air intake below the bumper behind the headlights, because there is plenty of room for the filter and the engine room of the heat is not there.
The box around the air cleaner I have to be even better. Sand accumulates in there quite a lot.
I have to clean them several times.
I hope that you understood that what I'm trying to tell you.

Thanks for all the comments. =)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Dave on August 10, 2013, 14:27:37 PM
Your english is fine mate I understand & agree.

A basic mistake by a lot of people & tuners.

The turbo sucks in hot air that is already expanded so low in density, when it compresses it the air gets even hotter then the cooler does it job.

You may get good intake temps after the cooler but the turbo compressor will be struggling & will not be able to match it's expected compressor map as the intake air temp is way beyond the STD for the map.

Most but not all maps are based on around 20 degree C intake temp.

= big pressure loss, bad efficiency, low power outputs & disappointment!
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on August 11, 2013, 13:47:02 PM
Setback yesterday. The radiator is leaking end = poor welding thank you "techWeld" soldering experiment. Fix it now, tig welding.
In addition, interior cools the leak. It needs to be replaced, now I put the u-tube hoses that go between the inside. =)
Opel TRW1 electro-hydraulic power steering pump worked fine.
TRW sound electric forklift  ;D
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Dave on August 14, 2013, 20:52:25 PM
Sounds an easy job to fix for man of your talents.

The steering is noisy, don't you think it will annoy you after a few miles?
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on August 15, 2013, 04:23:17 AM
Sounds an easy job to fix for man of your talents.

The steering is noisy, don't you think it will annoy you after a few miles?

Yep, I am the actual Bob the Builder  ;D
I drive a few hundred meters and the power steering is no sound anymore, because the engine as a powerful voice to win.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on August 26, 2013, 08:10:49 AM
FoMoCo Track Day Ahvenisto weekend behind. Settling in driving the motor. All worked perfectly. Smiles are not run out yet. I like that myself engine. Torque and power is sufficient.
Event photos here, but I have not filmed.
https://plus.google.com/photos/109599054733302782055/albums/5916102187074406433?authkey=CPX56ezW-rivBA&banner=pwa&gpsrc=pwrd1#photos/109599054733302782055/albums/5916102187074406433?authkey=CPX56ezW-rivBA&banner=pwa&gpsrc=pwrd1

Enjoy!
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri v8 driver on August 26, 2013, 19:09:53 PM
Nice pictures!
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on September 01, 2013, 08:52:05 AM
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20130831_002_zps25b874ea.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20130831_002_zps25b874ea.jpg.html)
Headgasket dead passenger side. Maybe knock to boost. Shit lucky.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: 3 door 4x4 on September 01, 2013, 18:55:49 PM
That's bad luck  :'( :'( :'(

I'm sure you'll have it fixed soon...

Bob the builder, can we fix it?
Bob the builder, yes we can!
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on September 01, 2013, 19:32:01 PM
Bob the builder, can we fix it?
Bob the builder, yes we can!
 :lol: hah hah! Very good!
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on September 06, 2013, 09:03:59 AM
It has risen from the dead. I make 1.0mm x 0,6mm groove in block and i put in steel wire there. Normal head gasket up.
First I made tool what I did manage to block the grooves.
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/1277392_10151823815794183_1172065338_o_zps6ab90088.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/1277392_10151823815794183_1172065338_o_zps6ab90088.jpg.html)

Idle run video
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri v8 driver on September 06, 2013, 19:02:24 PM
Looks good. Lets hope the gasket holds this time.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on September 06, 2013, 20:50:43 PM
Looks good. Lets hope the gasket holds this time.
Thanks!
Maybe the old head gasket patent better than a bag of new ones. Let's hope the hard
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Dave on September 07, 2013, 09:54:48 AM
I thought you had already done this Pete?

You will not have anymore trouble with head gasket now.  :mellow:

I love the fact you made your own tool, very BOB the builder mate  ;D


Simple head lift you can see water has entered the cylinders & cleaned your pistons up nicely!

Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on September 07, 2013, 13:14:34 PM
I thought you had already done this Pete?

You will not have anymore trouble with head gasket now.  :mellow:

I love the fact you made your own tool, very BOB the builder mate  ;D


Simple head lift you can see water has entered the cylinders & cleaned your pistons up nicely!

Thanks!  ;D
earlier groove block and cu rings and the masses, now assembly Navaline with loose steel rings,  three nails and masses, but i dont no why go wrong. But maybe this road is right.   
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: whiteestate on September 07, 2013, 20:43:44 PM
By looking at the picture you see there is not much meat where the gasket failed that looks like a weak spot the 12v engines as Dave knows always suffers due to the poor head designs and low clamping forces !
Glad your working it through top job
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on September 10, 2013, 05:52:37 AM
Thank you.
Here's how it surely is, then. I look forward to the future Saturday because the cars power measurement event at the time. I do not expect any big nothing, but I'm involved. Perhaps of more than 500 hp will anyway ..
The car is working well and drive it to work every day.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Dave on September 14, 2013, 10:58:00 AM
Quote
I look forward to the future Saturday because the cars power measurement event at the time. I do not expect any big nothing, but I'm involved. Perhaps of more than 500 hp will anyway ..

This today then?

Best of luck Pete, big numbers I hope ;D

Certainly be on here later to see how you have done.  :mellow:
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on September 14, 2013, 12:28:47 PM
Yes, today.
But big horse power waiting again. Maybe exhaust pressure braking this.
Boost is now 1.8bar
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20130914_001_zpsfa254dfe.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20130914_001_zpsfa254dfe.jpg.html)
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/735840_10151864746264839_682955231_o_zpsbb6f2903.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/735840_10151864746264839_682955231_o_zpsbb6f2903.jpg.html)

and shoot out video..
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri v8 driver on September 14, 2013, 20:00:32 PM
With 500 hp and 711 nm you got a start.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Dave on September 14, 2013, 21:15:57 PM

Dam why don't this make high numbers???  :rolleyes:

So 498bhp / 525 ft/lbs on 26 psi.


What turbo's you got on it & what fuel was it?
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on September 15, 2013, 06:57:02 AM

Dam why don't this make high numbers???  :rolleyes:

So 498bhp / 525 ft/lbs on 26 psi.


What turbo's you got on it & what fuel was it?

Turbo`s spec:

* Inlet/outlet 3"/2"
* Features wet float bearings
* 1/8 NPT oil inlet
* 5 bolt standard(.58) downpipe flange
* T3 flange Oil cooled
* Compressor wheel: .50A/R, Inducer: 2", Exducer 3"
* Turbine wheel: .63A/R, Inducer: 2.58", Exducer: 2.2"
Made in China  ;D
And fuel is 98 octane with 5% etanol (Used to pump gasoline in Finland)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Dave on September 15, 2013, 09:45:11 AM
Thanks

So you have what sounds like a pair of Garrett T04E copies & what we would call high octane 98 RON fuel.

Sounds like a 46 trim compressor.

Looking at it the compressor size looks good.

Turbine side looks to be a little big but it's not massive!

The turbo's are not the problem, you must have something holding this engine back.

It should really be making 500bhp on 1 bar of boost.

The Ravenz 4.0L made 600bhp / 670 lbs @ 3800rpm on 24 psi

Yours looks to be a better spec?

It's never going to make mega horse power but there should be lots & lots of torque until 5000 rpm where it will probably drop .
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Dave on September 15, 2013, 10:37:20 AM
Pete have you got a data log of your boost?

There is no way a 2933 cc engine should be able to out drag you like this!

The graph is power at the crank isn't it? or is it wheel figures?

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b228/DavidHoward/Forum/Pete43LT04E_zpsac2b9dcc.png)

Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on September 15, 2013, 11:04:46 AM

1.Pete have you got a data log of your boost?   No :(

2.There is no way a 2933 cc engine should be able to out drag you like this!   :P

3.The graph is power at the crank isn't it? or is it wheel figures?   Engine not wheels (The calculated power on wheels)

I'll tell you that yet due to time constraints we do not adjust the ECU,(more cars) and something small improvement could get it through.

Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on September 15, 2013, 19:58:17 PM
I checked the intercooler flow and exhaust pressure. These were good.
The exhaust pressure was 1:1 with boost pressure.
I'll re-measurement of power yet, and we adjust ECU with the time, when we see the actual situation.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on September 16, 2013, 05:54:01 AM
I go works  in the morning and I noticed that the manifold pressure gauge screen. At the same time I realized my mistake. Shoot-out boost "only" 1.3 bar no 1.8bar.
Because I have turned the meter needles read-1.0bar and now the pressure will rise 0.3 bar.
The reading should be 0.8 bar to 1.8 bar. The idea, therefore, was a break.  :o
Now boost is 1.3bar and exhaust pressure 1,8bar
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Dave on September 21, 2013, 10:42:17 AM
Hello Pete

Quote
Shoot-out boost "only" 1.3 bar no 1.8bar

That makes things a lot better but still shows problem.

Quote
Now boost is 1.3bar and exhaust pressure 1,8bar

Problem 1! That must be before the turbo I hope.  ;D

That will cause your hp to drop if the cam has close to STD over lap.

Anything over 5 psi difference I have found starts to show up as a torque drop.
What is the back pressure after the turbo?
Enlarging the wastegates may help, do you know there size?

It would be helpful if you could do one run at 1 bar.
On that run data log the boost pressure.

That run will show if the engine is simply hitting it's flow limits or if something is wrong with the tuning.

Good luck.

Dave



Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on September 21, 2013, 11:47:07 AM
Hello Pete

Quote
Shoot-out boost "only" 1.3 bar no 1.8bar

That makes things a lot better but still shows problem.

Quote
Now boost is 1.3bar and exhaust pressure 1,8bar

Problem 1! That must be before the turbo I hope.  ;D

That will cause your hp to drop if the cam has close to STD over lap.

Anything over 5 psi difference I have found starts to show up as a torque drop.
What is the back pressure after the turbo?
Enlarging the wastegates may help, do you know there size?

It would be helpful if you could do one run at 1 bar.
On that run data log the boost pressure.

That run will show if the engine is simply hitting it's flow limits or if something is wrong with the tuning.

Good luck.

Dave




Yeah! It's before turbos. Small problem is ignition map because max about 20 degree to boost. We adjust this point the next power shoot test.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Dave on September 22, 2013, 08:59:46 AM
Unless you have a problem Pete it looks like the turbo exhaust turbines are too big for the engine.

If you look at your results.

Black line is a STD 12V OHV doubled to show 1 bar of boost.

Red is yours at 1.3 bar.

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b228/DavidHoward/Forum/Pete43LT04E2_zpsf55ac1bb.png)

You can see your engine spools up way too late to suit the torque curve of the engine.
An OHV 4.0L just dies after 4000 rpm.

You have lift at high rpm which shows you have improved the max flow of the engine but it's not enough to make up for the mid range you have lost which is the engines strong point.

Do a run at 1 bar boost & record the boost.

It's my opinion that if you are sure you can not get the turbo's to spool faster then the biggest improvement possible to the engine is using different turbo's.


The engine has the potential to make over 100 lbs more torque at the same boost than you have achieved so far.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on September 22, 2013, 18:50:01 PM
There has been a problem to get the RPM to enlarge this engine was stopped at 5500. Not good. Now, however, modified to get around very well.
Turbos are a bit like that when you buy cheap, do custom designs.
Maybe they are a bit lost somewhere in the area and I have to just accept it.
But after a week we will try to provide a better engine and search for the correct ignition advance.
A small harm came when one of the rocker broke up 1 cylinder. I had to put standard rocker arms now.
->

Thank you Dave good reference maps. It was interesting to compare the curves.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Dave on September 27, 2013, 23:21:26 PM
Pete of course you need to check some things.

Make sure the waste gates are matched. (they both open up at the same time)
Are the waste gates leaking?

& so on.

But if the turbos will not spool up any faster then you will need to either change the turbo's or use something to increase exhaust flow like a bit of NOS to get the best from the engine.

The turbo's you used are based on an old design & have to be matched closely to an engines exhaust output which looks to be where you have the problem. Hence the whole hybrid turbo industry!

The far more modern GT's work far better with a wider range of engines so are much easier to get right.

This is what I think you should be aiming for & is perfectly possible.

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b228/DavidHoward/Forum/WhatToAimFor_zps52e64313.png)

You can see you also lost a lot of bottom end power compared to a STD engine.

Another sign of a turbo mis-match or problem.

If you fitted a pair of GT2860RS's with the .64 exhaust housings you would achieve very close to the above graph possibly better.

China copy's would do it too but you take your chance with the reliabilty.

Best of luck.

Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on October 01, 2013, 16:02:57 PM
I installed a std rockers and power decreased to 460hp.After ignition control after the power was 487.4 hp / 677nm
I added the boost pressure 0.1bar, Power did not increase at all so we left it there.
I need to study if I exhaust back pressure changes below. Turbos next examined if the exhaust system is not oppressive.
But as you can see 2500rpm is now about 100nm more torque std rocker arm
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/176vs143_zps9e644944.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/176vs143_zps9e644944.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Dave on October 05, 2013, 10:39:18 AM
Hi Pete

Well you have almost gained all your off boost power back which is good.

Tell me how does your design of rockers compare to STD? (What is the ratio?)

Also what is the spec of the camshaft you are using?


Looking at the new graph you talk about back pressure however it looks like it's showing a boost plot.
Can you explain?

Your engine may make less peak power but I think it will be far better to drive now as you have recovered a lot of low down power.

How does it feel???

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b228/DavidHoward/Forum/Pete43LT04E4_zps1c74bf78.png)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on October 05, 2013, 12:07:11 PM
Hi Dave!
This camshaft has been carried out special CompCams, they take into account that my rocker 1.76 "while making it.
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/CompCams.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/CompCams.jpg.html)

I meant that the exhaust pressure get up than that boost pressure. It not can be seen in that graph.

Well, i missing high power up but I do not really know which one better. Perhaps it is felt more strongly when the power came later. :laugh:
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Dave on October 05, 2013, 12:24:19 PM

O.K Thanks

Am I right in saying the STD rocker ratio is 1.46:1?

1.46 vrs 1.76 !

I don't have time right now to study your cam spec maybe in a few days.

You are saying the plot on the graph is boost pressure then?

What was the back pressure figures?
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on October 05, 2013, 12:59:54 PM

O.K Thanks

Am I right in saying the STD rocker ratio is 1.46:1?

1.46 vrs 1.76 !

I don't have time right now to study your cam spec maybe in a few days.

You are saying the plot on the graph is boost pressure then?

What was the back pressure figures?

Yes, 1.46 is std and graph is boost pressure.
The exact map is not the exhaust pressure, but 1.25 boost and exhaust 1.8 bar
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Dave on October 06, 2013, 11:03:02 AM
Then your defiantly boosting too late to the suit power characteristics of the engine for best results.

You also have too much back pressure which is causing the torque to drop faster than it should which robs you of some HP.

By fitting the STD rockers you reduced the cam duration which of course reduced lift & changed the timing slightly.
Made a huge difference to your low end power which shows the cam is not particulary suited to your engine either.

Anyway the big one is boost get it to make boost earlier & it will mask the other two problems to give a good wide torque plot. It should pull 600lbs of torque with ease & be a fantastic road car.

Just my opinion mate but that to me looks the way to get the best out of the engine.
 
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on January 05, 2014, 17:24:04 PM
Happy New Year here. I hope in a better direction for myself. Last year ended while the engine breakdown. Now, went across the crankshaft. Does not this ever stop thinking.  :unsure:
pic.
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20140105_014_zps13afefea.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20140105_014_zps13afefea.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Lemon-Ade on January 05, 2014, 18:04:33 PM
Gutted for you mate  :'(

Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri v8 driver on January 05, 2014, 19:27:07 PM
I did edit the picture for you.

Breaking a crankshaft happened twice to me with the v8 small block with nitro, in both case the block started to crack and twist first, than the crank broke.



Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on January 05, 2014, 22:04:05 PM
I did edit the picture for you.

Breaking a crankshaft happened twice to me with the v8 small block with nitro, in both case the block started to crack and twist first, than the crank broke.
Thank you! I have only used the phone and I did not get pictures of the view. I did not see any cracks in the block.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Grey on January 07, 2014, 11:30:38 AM
Damn!
Sorry to see that. Guess the 4.0 crank is having a really heavy job compared to the 2.9ers!
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on January 07, 2014, 14:30:07 PM
I thought if put BOB crankshaft and new pistons. The volume would decrease 3.5 L, but it might be more durable.
Do you have any information about a boa or bob crankshaft stronger than the 2.4/2.9 12v?
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri v8 driver on January 07, 2014, 19:25:46 PM
I don't think the 2.9 12v is weaker or stronger than the cosworth crank. the 24v crankshaft has modified counterweight (more weight in the center) and a double sprocket to drive the duplex (double row) timing chain.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on January 08, 2014, 06:24:21 AM
I noticed yesterday that the balance in the same location as the 4.0 12v.
Top view of a crank 969M6303 AA(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20140107_003_zps8fab70d7.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20140107_003_zps8fab70d7.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri v8 driver on January 08, 2014, 07:48:33 AM
Both cranks are internal balanced, so they have the weight in the same location.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Dave on January 17, 2014, 00:17:37 AM
Oh Pete I am really sorry to see this after you did such a good job of that bottom end!

I did mention before that there is a known problem with these STD 4.0L cranks twisting!

But as yours is a stroker I assumed you was running some custom crank from the states.

STD 4.0L cranks start to twist around 550 ft/lbs.

First signs is a vibration that gets worse, next they chew up the main bearings & that's usually the end of it. Never seen one go as bad as yours before!

Strangely even though the 24V crank is basically the same the reduced stroke seems to make a massive difference. A 24V crank is far stronger!

Again you have reached a cross roads & been very unlucky!
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Andres on January 17, 2014, 17:41:45 PM
Hey

My cosworth bob engine runs 2,2 bar boost with 71,5mm holset pro52 turbo.
We dyno this engine 950bhp and 1060nm. Engine runs good and no problems...
Use BOB crank and it´s works fine.

Best: Andres from Estonia

Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri v8 driver on January 17, 2014, 19:18:15 PM
Quote
We dyno this engine 950bhp and 1060nm.

We are waiting when it breaks the 1000 hp mark  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on January 18, 2014, 06:08:08 AM
Hey

My cosworth bob engine runs 2,2 bar boost with 71,5mm holset pro52 turbo.
We dyno this engine 950bhp and 1060nm. Engine runs good and no problems...
Use BOB crank and it´s works fine.

Best: Andres from Estonia
Hi Andreas!
Very nice. I know you taunus.You assume the hard power and we talked about that one person you probably know, "TVR" in Finland.
The block has remained at you in great condition.In this living proof of how strong the crank is 24v.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on January 18, 2014, 06:20:14 AM
I heard from one problem that might affect me when I make the machine a stroke of 72mm and the connecting rod as long as 6.00. "This ratio would be 2.1.
This would mean that the piston would be more tdc position. What does this work?
At low rpm, the plane lost power, but the power of big rounds is good. True or false?
I'll do it, however, another smaller problem is the piston / connecting rod are heavy compared to the 2.9 24 engine. With balancing will probably have to increase the weight of
I do it anyway. ;D
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on January 20, 2014, 17:36:41 PM
This old photograph I wanted to show. The 2003 Ford Fair. A really hot day was then. The rain is not in sight. I got in my car, but the area was a great event and a great experience for me and my wife.
We drove to Sweden and take the ferry to England. We went by train under the Channel to France, to Germany and take the ferry back to Finland. This kind of recognition between. :lol:
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/166159_486366339182_3072974_n_zps4ced1012.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/166159_486366339182_3072974_n_zps4ced1012.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Dave on January 23, 2014, 23:24:32 PM

What you say is true, you have increased the rod length to increase the leveredge on the crank which should increase power. If I understand what you're saying right!

It seems that for some reason these STD 4.0L cranks are simply not as strong as the 24V crank. The stroke is the only real difference between them. Very strange!

There must be some steel cranks in the U.S surly?
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Grey on January 24, 2014, 14:42:48 PM

What you say is true, you have increased the rod length to increase the leveredge on the crank which should increase power. If I understand what you're saying right!

It seems that for some reason these STD 4.0L cranks are simply not as strong as the 24V crank. The stroke is the only real difference between them. Very strange!

There must be some steel cranks in the U.S surly?

My theory of it is that you get the same effect when for example increasing the length of a seesaw.
With a small diameter you get lower "pressure" on the middle than if you increase the diameter since the weight is more centralized when the diameter is lower. 
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri v8 driver on January 24, 2014, 19:30:48 PM


There must be some steel cranks in the U.S surly?


I asked a contact at Eagle cranks, Forced custom cranks like the 4.0 v6 are only special order and are very $$$. All other 4.0 and stroker cranks for the 4.0 are cast iron.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on January 24, 2014, 20:45:21 PM
I ask twice over, and in 2008 (www.briancrower.com) We can make them on a custom order basis for $ 2,400 per crank. We do Require a minimum order of 5 crank is all custom crankshafts along with a 50% deposit.

and this year (Farndon engineering)
Thank you for your Enquiry and I have great pleasure in quoting you as follows. 1 Off Ford 4.0 V6 Cologne Crankshaft @ £ 2100.00
All quotations are ex-works and do not include VAT.
Delivery: Will be working 14 weeks from receipt of 50% deposit and agreement of all technical specifications.

No money no happy.  ;D
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on February 17, 2014, 12:44:27 PM
I changed the direction of this year. Engine for the Ford Edge will 3.5v6 and try to break this two turbos.And 6speed gearbox bmw code 53dz. So long project. But I'll try something new now.

I bought mustang/F150 3.7 oil pan so I hope that I could get the engine to fit the Sierra. Bmw gearbox comes with adapter to the engine.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Dave on February 18, 2014, 22:59:11 PM

It must have been a very hard decision Pete but the 4.0L cologne engine is proving to be a very unreliable engine when pushed.
You're not the only one who has had bad luck with it!

I think you have made the correct choice.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on February 20, 2014, 12:17:03 PM

It must have been a very hard decision Pete but the 4.0L cologne engine is proving to be a very unreliable engine when pushed.
You're not the only one who has had bad luck with it!

I think you have made the correct choice.
Thanks!
Motorsport is this themselves sometimes, but jaw rib cage and toward new to disenchantment.
 :laugh:
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on April 05, 2014, 09:49:22 AM
Now start again! New engine is my garage.
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/WP_20140404_018_zps2dc71f63.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/WP_20140404_018_zps2dc71f63.jpg.html)
Mustang oilpan and sump

[URL=http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/WP_20140404_015_zpsf53cd31b.jpg.html](http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/WP_20140404_015_zpsf53cd31b.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/WP_20140404_016_zps91577ff7.jpg.html)
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/WP_20140404_016_zps91577ff7.jpg)[/URL]
Look good to Sierra.
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/WP_20140404_014_zpsdc30de5c.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/WP_20140404_014_zpsdc30de5c.jpg.html)
I hope I can then start the engine  :lol:
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri71 on April 05, 2014, 15:50:24 PM
wow! first cylclone ive seen going into a project - coooool :thumbsup:

I too have just ditched 12v iron for 24v VVT alloy ;)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on April 07, 2014, 07:10:23 AM
Thanks Capri!
And look this today.  :mellow:
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/imagejpg2_zpsf60e8af0.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/imagejpg2_zpsf60e8af0.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri71 on April 07, 2014, 10:02:32 AM
Sweeeeeeet :2tu:  How is it for height? bonnet clearance?
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on April 07, 2014, 11:28:54 AM
Sweeeeeeet :2tu:  How is it for height? bonnet clearance?
i dont look this but i hope it is good.
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/imagejpg3_zps3ff06563.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/imagejpg3_zps3ff06563.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: fordrwd4ever on April 07, 2014, 14:25:38 PM
Wow...
This is going to be a nice car when it's ready...

Any chance we will see it @ Ford fair sometime?



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Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri71 on April 07, 2014, 15:37:54 PM
i dont look this but i hope it is good.

is it as far down as possible? is the sump close to the crossmember? have you got a picture of underneath? I hope the intake doesn't add much height…?
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on April 07, 2014, 17:32:22 PM
Wow...
This is going to be a nice car when it's ready...

Any chance we will see it @ Ford fair sometime?
Thanks! Maybe you can never say no.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on April 07, 2014, 17:38:24 PM
is it as far down as possible? is the sump close to the crossmember? have you got a picture of underneath? I hope the intake doesn't add much height…?
about 1/2 inch to rack, I hope that I do not have to have to cut the sump. (http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20140406_024_zps22ab2c40.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20140406_024_zps22ab2c40.jpg.html)(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20140406_022_zpsb0a508df.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20140406_022_zpsb0a508df.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri71 on April 07, 2014, 19:37:48 PM
I'll be happy if i get mine that low :thumbsup: that sump looks good actually. might be better than the sump i was planning on using  if it fits? do Duratec 35 sump fit Jag/Duratec 25/30? the sump is far back as i need it too :- ;)

Where has your gearstick ended up?

Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri v8 driver on April 07, 2014, 19:54:40 PM
Quote
about 1/2 inch to rack, I hope that I do not have to have to cut the sump.

That's more than enough space.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on April 07, 2014, 20:08:14 PM
Duratec 3.0 Jag s type with st200 oilpan vs Cyclone 3.5. Little bigger. Oil pan different.

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20140406_019_zps5506fc68.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20140406_019_zps5506fc68.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on April 07, 2014, 20:10:52 PM
Quote
about 1/2 inch to rack, I hope that I do not have to have to cut the sump.

That's more than enough space.
Yes, i mean if engine remain too high so I have to lower the more.  ;)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri71 on April 08, 2014, 14:29:51 PM
What kind of inlet is it? is it big/tall? Ive got zero gap with the jag inlet. The bonnet would probably close just but I'm thinking spacing the crossmember and ARB down if i have to…
Ive got this SVT ST200 inlet coming so I'll check with that first.

Haven't offered it in cos still waiting for my X type sump. I'm still going to have to cut it and close it up but its a better starting point than the crazy s-type thing. I will loose capacity so I will be using the Canton Accusump I bought some time ago. The x type sump is pretty much like your ST220 one minus the webbing on the bottom so maybe thinner there (and weaker :- )gives a little bit more room, maybe.

Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on April 08, 2014, 16:07:18 PM
So that 3.0 Jaguar engine placed in the Mondeo ST200. Intake manifold into ST220.
Cyclone intake manifold have to make my own.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri71 on April 08, 2014, 16:58:19 PM
So that 3.0 Jaguar engine placed in the Mondeo ST200. Intake manifold into ST220.
Cyclone intake manifold have to make my own.

No the ST200 had the Duratec 25 but the intake fits the Jag/Lincoln version of the Duratec 30 as it also has oval intake ports… I heard the ST220 Duratec 30 has round ones?
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on April 08, 2014, 17:06:11 PM
No the ST200 had the Duratec 25 but the intake fits the Jag/Lincoln version of the Duratec 30 as it also has oval intake ports… I heard the ST220 Duratec 30 has round ones?
220 St intake is ideal, at least for this jaguar s type engine directly. They have oval inlet channels. ST220 is a dual channel from the intake manifold.(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sekalaista/ya5s_zps53babe14.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sekalaista/ya5s_zps53babe14.jpg.html)
S-type engine and ST220 intake.(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sekalaista/yYeq_zpsc8f571fd.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sekalaista/yYeq_zpsc8f571fd.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri71 on April 08, 2014, 18:07:10 PM
the st220 upper manifold goes onto the jag lower? I haven't actually checked but hoping the ST200 lower manifold fits the Jag heads…?? i will make it fit one way or another but i was hoping it would go on ok after reading it has bben done :unsure:
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on April 08, 2014, 20:05:48 PM
Yes, you must making upper and lower intake adapter Jag -> ST. It's easy job.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri71 on April 08, 2014, 20:55:32 PM
simple but there are so many simple jobs :roll eyes:  ;)


(http://images.drive.com.au/drive_images/Editorial/2007/07/18/18Cyclone_m2_m.jpg)
(http://www.themustangnews.com/photos/carnews/cov-duratec35.jpg)

is that the intake you have? edit - just seen earlier picture…
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on April 09, 2014, 18:20:57 PM
Yes same intake my engine. But I made custom intake this.
two pics again project.
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20140408_003_zpsf3fd8e4e.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20140408_003_zpsf3fd8e4e.jpg.html)
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20140408_003_zpsf3fd8e4e.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20140408_003_zpsf3fd8e4e.jpg.html)
Cologne engine mounts and cyclone block.
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20140408_004_zps98e294b6.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20140408_004_zps98e294b6.jpg.html)
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20140408_005_zps115aa6af.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20140408_005_zps115aa6af.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri71 on April 10, 2014, 11:28:03 AM
Looks good…  i messed up, i didn't get the hydraulic mounts with my engine… just the alloy brackets. gonna have to pay more them now and all the used ones look like junk :- hows it going?
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri v8 driver on April 10, 2014, 11:50:32 AM
Why don't you build your own engine mounts and use poly bushings?

Its gives you much more freedom to position the engine the way you want.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri71 on April 10, 2014, 15:27:01 PM
Why don't you build your own engine mounts and use poly bushings?

Its gives you much more freedom to position the engine the way you want.

Im modifying the mounting points on the crossmember and i have some new 2.8 rubber bushes I'm using for now.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on April 14, 2014, 21:13:52 PM
I fits original mounting to right side engine. Easy fits, but left side
difficult.it.
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20140414_005_zps4b853db5.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20140414_005_zps4b853db5.jpg.html)(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20140414_006_zpsfd71e65c.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20140414_006_zpsfd71e65c.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri71 on April 15, 2014, 01:28:29 AM
seems that by rotating the mount like that you shift the weight behind the mount. I prefer to modify the crossmember so everything stays inline on the vertical plane - engine half way point, mounting points and crossmember mounting points, all in line. I could be wrong but it seems they make them this way so I will too. How does the other mounting look?

Don't worry, i will start my project this week and post so you can tell me i'm doing it wrong too  :thumbsup: ;)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri71 on April 15, 2014, 23:18:36 PM
ok i get what you have done now (cheers Ade) - top job :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on April 16, 2014, 19:16:39 PM
Thank thanks, I do not understand what you tell everything but I will try very hard.  ;D
Now i making you passenger side mounting and look this now. Welding MIG and it seem to little bad but maybe it´s all right.(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20140416_002_zps8890f619.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20140416_002_zps8890f619.jpg.html)
 down side better.(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20140416_001_zps145ec26e.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20140416_001_zps145ec26e.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri v8 driver on April 16, 2014, 20:49:57 PM
Maybe you should pre heat the aluminum before welding or use more current. The thicker the aluminum the more heat you need to get started and to keep the weld flowing.  The big problem with aluminum is that the heat displaces much more than with iron or steel where the heat stays more centered towards the weld.

I would clean the weld of the mount in the first picture and weld it again.   
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on April 17, 2014, 05:24:20 AM
Maybe....etc
Yes, you are right but i think it works this case well. The car is made ​​for driving, not the show.  ;)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri v8 driver on April 17, 2014, 07:36:09 AM
Quote
The car is made ​​for driving, not the show.

I am not talking how beautiful you can weld or how nice you weld looks.

The engine mount has to support a lot of weight. You don't want a weld that's weak. The weld on the first picture looks very weak to me. 
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri71 on April 17, 2014, 10:11:47 AM
If the arm was steel and the welding was steel i would say strong enough - never gonna break but this cast aluminium and a dissimilar alloy mig wire. Better safe than sorry for the sake of another half an hour work ;)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on April 17, 2014, 21:12:44 PM
You're right guys, you can never be too sure.
Believe me, it is strong enough. You can then laugh at me when it will be resolved and a violation of an engine.  ;D
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on April 19, 2014, 11:35:51 AM
I look new ecu and Dta s80 pro able to adjust 2 intake cam.

Anybody know any other ECU to do the same? MegaSquirt option is closed.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri v8 driver on April 19, 2014, 12:05:02 PM
I look new ecu and Dta s80 pro able to adjust 2 intake cam.

Anybody know any other ECU to do the same? MegaSquirt option is closed.

Whats wrong with the megasquirt?

The ms 3.0 and 3.57 with ms3x daughter board can control the VVT similar to the Dta s80 pro. http://msextra.com/doc/ms3/vvt.html



Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on April 19, 2014, 12:15:44 PM
I look new ecu and Dta s80 pro able to adjust 2 intake cam.

Anybody know any other ECU to do the same? MegaSquirt option is closed.

Whats wrong with the megasquirt?

The ms 3.0 and 3.57 with ms3x daughter board can control the VVT similar to the Dta s80 pro. http://msextra.com/doc/ms3/vvt.html
because, i asked price this mega systems and cost ms3+ms3x only +1000€ and Dta  is about same price. :P
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri v8 driver on April 19, 2014, 12:26:02 PM
I payed for the ms3.57+ms3x+ loom and a connector for the ms3x card, 860 euro including tax and shipping. I got mine from diyautotune.com. 
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on April 19, 2014, 12:32:09 PM
I payed for the ms3.57+ms3x+ loom and a connector for the ms3x card, 860 euro including tax and shipping. I got mine from diyautotune.com.
Good price. Do you need to make your own mods if you want vanos?
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri v8 driver on April 19, 2014, 19:51:00 PM
I don't use the VVT or vanos as my engine doesn't have that.

But how to wire it up and configure is described on the link I provided you.

Bimmer guys have there vanos working with ms3.

Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri71 on April 19, 2014, 20:13:29 PM
I'm using Emerald K6 for mine. I have it confirmed by Dave Walker that it can run the VVT and variable intake no problem. The y have a map for mine which probably be a good base map for yours. I'm going to get mine rolling road mapped but i know of a guy who bought the emerald with the map preinstalled and is more than happy with how it runs his Jag Duratec
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on April 19, 2014, 20:57:04 PM
I'm using Emerald K6 for mine. I have it confirmed by Dave Walker that it can run the VVT and variable intake no problem. The y have a map for mine which probably be a good base map for yours. I'm going to get mine rolling road mapped but i know of a guy who bought the emerald with the map preinstalled and is more than happy with how it runs his Jag Duratec
Intresting. You know can Emerald K6 driver straightly jag coils?
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri71 on April 19, 2014, 22:51:13 PM
yep, got 6 ignition drivers - you can use a coil pack or individual like on jag

Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: turboshed on April 21, 2014, 22:20:33 PM
I'm using Emerald K6 for mine. I have it confirmed by Dave Walker that it can run the VVT and variable intake no problem. The y have a map for mine which probably be a good base map for yours. I'm going to get mine rolling road mapped but i know of a guy who bought the emerald with the map preinstalled and is more than happy with how it runs his Jag Duratec
Intresting. You know can Emerald K6 driver straightly jag coils?


you need a cam sensor and wire up injectors for sequential but as capri71 says  k6 has 6 ignition drivers
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on May 02, 2014, 13:47:00 PM
Down intake waterline modifications Fwd->Rwd. Drilling,cutting and TIG welding pipe in-and outside.

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20140423_001_zps98dc1480.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20140423_001_zps98dc1480.jpg.html)
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20140423_004_zpsd92428c7.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20140423_004_zpsd92428c7.jpg.html)
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20140425_001_zpsc0929662.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20140425_001_zpsc0929662.jpg.html)
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20140425_002_zps9a65a49b.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20140425_002_zps9a65a49b.jpg.html)
Upper intake is in the works.
D.I.Y intake from 50mm pipes->

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20140425_010_zps70c6b153.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20140425_010_zps70c6b153.jpg.html)
and again I thinking next step..

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20140426_006_zps80650e05.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20140426_006_zps80650e05.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Heath Robinson on May 02, 2014, 14:33:56 PM
That looks great. Like a ram's horns.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on May 02, 2014, 15:36:03 PM
That looks great. Like a ram's horns.

Thank you! I hope he just as hard. = D
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri71 on May 02, 2014, 21:25:54 PM
Nice ;)

edit - was wondering where you been… now we know ;D
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on May 03, 2014, 06:23:38 AM
Nice ;)

edit - was wondering where you been… now we know ;D
Thanks,
Yes, My home now the garage. Two cars,  ST200 engine swap and this.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on May 17, 2014, 16:23:13 PM
I find 53dz my garages.(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20140514_004_zps5f41866f.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20140514_004_zps5f41866f.jpg.html)
Laser cutting start ring gear
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20140516_003_zps7ccbd7f6.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20140516_003_zps7ccbd7f6.jpg.html)
And 53dz input. (http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20140516_004_zpsd52489af.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20140516_004_zpsd52489af.jpg.html)
Jag v6 s-type start +special ring
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20140517_001_zps3b531536.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20140517_001_zps3b531536.jpg.html)
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20140516_011_zps544b7a98.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20140516_011_zps544b7a98.jpg.html)
Gearbow up side to engine. One bolt good place.

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20140515_004_zps7e8af7f0.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20140515_004_zps7e8af7f0.jpg.html)
And modify mountings
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/10329853_10152403754419183_2706568577714720147_o_zps806e231c.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/10329853_10152403754419183_2706568577714720147_o_zps806e231c.jpg.html)
Gearbox mounting kit.
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20140516_014_zpsc451b8b7.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20140516_014_zpsc451b8b7.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri71 on May 18, 2014, 09:21:08 AM
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Although i'm sure it fine, I would have got it water jet cut Pete

(http://www.flowwaterjet.com/~/media/Images/waterjet/waterjet%20technology/large/laser-vs-waterjet-v2.ashx?w=250&h=184&as=1)

that aside everything looks sweet mate :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on May 18, 2014, 13:45:52 PM
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Although i'm sure it fine, I would have got it water jet cut Pete

(http://www.flowwaterjet.com/~/media/Images/waterjet/waterjet%20technology/large/laser-vs-waterjet-v2.ashx?w=250&h=184&as=1)

that aside everything looks sweet mate :thumbsup:
Thanks!
Laser cut company is three mails for my works and you know. ;)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri71 on May 18, 2014, 14:33:38 PM
I doubt it will be a problem since its only a starter ring. Other alternative would have been to cut the ring they weld to the flex plate for auto tranny for that engine… but its done anyway :thumbsup:

Is your diff ratio similar to the BMW that box came from?

I'm using the jag box because my diff is almost the same ratio as the Jaguar diff 3.09 vs 3.06 - practically the same. gear calculator predicted 62 mph in 2nd and 155mph in 5th and 66mph at 3000rpm. My car is at least 600kg lighter though so should get there a lot quicker than the Jag and easily rev out in all gears. No overdrive or 6th gear like you but I don't generally cruise at 155mph ;)

Still wondering about flywheels and clutches though… want a light, single mass. Might use a mondeo ST200 one.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on May 18, 2014, 17:36:01 PM
I doubt it will be a problem since its only a starter ring. Other alternative would have been to cut the ring they weld to the flex plate for auto tranny for that engine… but its done anyway :thumbsup:

Is your diff ratio similar to the BMW that box came from?


No but zf 6gear ratio 0.82 is fine my 3.73 diff. ;)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri71 on May 18, 2014, 19:26:31 PM
what was the diff ratio on the BMW?
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on May 21, 2014, 15:48:03 PM
I dont member Bmw diff ratio. ;) maybe 3.06?
Engine and gearbox adapter is this.
The center of the checkpoint that.
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20140521_001_zps0b28f740.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20140521_001_zps0b28f740.jpg.html)
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20140521_002_zps4e70ec6e.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20140521_002_zps4e70ec6e.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri71 on May 21, 2014, 20:25:48 PM
Er, the bit in the middle was to check alignment? and you'l cut it away? or am i being a thick as the plate you made it from? ;D
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on May 22, 2014, 10:42:46 AM
Er, the bit in the middle was to check alignment? and you'l cut it away? or am i being a thick as the plate you made it from? ;D
Yes, i cut then. No comments seconds question's.  ;D
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on May 31, 2014, 10:34:26 AM
I  welding to TIG the passenger side mounting. Is it any good?  ;)
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20140529_001_zps5541d8f9.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20140529_001_zps5541d8f9.jpg.html)
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20140529_002_zpsa384fcfd.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20140529_002_zpsa384fcfd.jpg.html)

and the mounting location on the engine.
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20140529_006_zpsd4b5e308.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20140529_006_zpsd4b5e308.jpg.html)
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20140529_008_zpsaaed086f.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20140529_008_zpsaaed086f.jpg.html)

Lowering engine about 30mm. it is better now in the intake manifold and the gearbox angle
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/10397261_10152433456104183_8121860291171437113_o_zpseffbdd19.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/10397261_10152433456104183_8121860291171437113_o_zpseffbdd19.jpg.html)

Next, lift the package in the engine room, and build mounts


Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri71 on May 31, 2014, 15:53:01 PM
Pete, I think you are rushing to get this done for the summer. This Sierra/cyclone build isn't simple. I think you should slow down, let it be done when it is done and make it so that you don't have to ask us "is it ok?"

i think the sump looks ok… its just the mount that bothers me a bit!

I am really interested in following this and know you can do it properly if you weren't setting deadlines to get it done - keep on keeping on bro ;)

Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on June 01, 2014, 08:15:12 AM
Pete, I think you are rushing to get this done for the summer. This Sierra/cyclone build isn't simple. I think you should slow down, let it be done when it is done and make it so that you don't have to ask us "is it ok?"

i think the sump looks ok… its just the mount that bothers me a bit!

I am really interested in following this and know you can do it properly if you weren't setting deadlines to get it done - keep on keeping on bro ;)

No, I did not come to ask you that whether it is ok. I'll do it this way and everyone can actually do better. ugh. :mellow:
Some do, others are considering doing so, and the third is talking about it.

Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on June 01, 2014, 08:23:11 AM
At all events, but I installed the engine in place. A tight fit was.
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20140531_005_zps4189a516.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20140531_005_zps4189a516.jpg.html)

Next time,next feeling.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri71 on June 01, 2014, 13:41:46 PM
You say this

I  welding to TIG the passenger side mounting. Is it any good?  ;)

Then this

No, I did not come to ask you that whether it is ok.

but whatever ;)



Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on June 02, 2014, 22:19:06 PM
I looked a little turbos places. I think that they will remain in it.
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20140601_023_zps0894dc13.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20140601_023_zps0894dc13.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on June 28, 2014, 05:58:22 AM
Engine and gearbox mounting now.

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/koneeenkorvakuski_zps93f1de4f.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/koneeenkorvakuski_zps93f1de4f.jpg.html)(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20140601_013_zps8648ae9f.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20140601_013_zps8648ae9f.jpg.html)

Exhaust welding and ready to start painting now.
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20140617_004_zps207b0473.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20140617_004_zps207b0473.jpg.html)


Downpipe right hand side:
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20140626_001_zpsb26f48f1.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20140626_001_zpsb26f48f1.jpg.html)
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20140626_004_zps298b0e54.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20140626_004_zps298b0e54.jpg.html)

Milled intake blank

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/10498449_10152500969759183_9078637824424466958_o_zps4da43e41.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/10498449_10152500969759183_9078637824424466958_o_zps4da43e41.jpg.html)
Bye, I will return again someday.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on July 02, 2014, 07:28:43 AM
Tig welding training session in progress. See it now, then show today.
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20140629_005_zpse2937b62.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20140629_005_zpse2937b62.jpg.html)
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20140701_007_zps39e4642f.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20140701_007_zps39e4642f.jpg.html)

Cheers
Pete
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Lemon-Ade on July 07, 2014, 19:49:27 PM
Your really cracking on with this Pete  :2tu: there is a lot to do to get one of these in a Sierra.

Keep the updates coming  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on July 12, 2014, 07:39:35 AM
Thanks. Maybe?  ;D
I making intake again. step by step, slowly but uncertainly.
Pressure plate cable piece.
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/10448689_10152540858389183_7379735186646133401_o_zpsa850edee.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/10448689_10152540858389183_7379735186646133401_o_zpsa850edee.jpg.html)
Welding school again.
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/10548136_10152540852904183_1221376836292862087_o-1_zps998545b5.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/10548136_10152540852904183_1221376836292862087_o-1_zps998545b5.jpg.html)
End is ready
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/10498249_10152541010554183_8956994752006101297_o_zpsae5f8265.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/10498249_10152541010554183_8956994752006101297_o_zpsae5f8265.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on July 24, 2014, 21:29:00 PM
Little up go to start. I painting and welding again. Summer is soon offer and Sierra no`t run.  :'(
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20140724_003_zps29a8b8e8.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20140724_003_zps29a8b8e8.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on July 28, 2014, 12:12:38 PM
And engine and gearbox look today this.
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/WP_20140728_002_zps7bee2f89.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/WP_20140728_002_zps7bee2f89.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Heath Robinson on August 22, 2014, 09:37:30 AM
That's a good looking lump! Good luck getting it into the car.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on August 29, 2014, 16:18:10 PM
That's a good looking lump! Good luck getting it into the car.
Thanks!
And today first start and engine run fine idle. Video is much.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on September 04, 2014, 21:21:56 PM
Diy aluminium curve small degrees. (http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/90d_zps0d5e3f57.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/90d_zps0d5e3f57.jpg.html)
last day pipes (http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/kurvi_zps8b96e013.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/kurvi_zps8b96e013.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on September 06, 2014, 10:47:03 AM
Long time this project but this it is now.  :laugh:(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/InstagramCapture_a17eb22d-ffb4-4f6a-9fd1-e70ec1459746_jpg_zps1cf9706e.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/InstagramCapture_a17eb22d-ffb4-4f6a-9fd1-e70ec1459746_jpg_zps1cf9706e.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Lemon-Ade on September 14, 2014, 20:10:50 PM
Well done Pete, that's looking very nice and sounds great to :2tu: you must be over the moon with it.

Maybe a trip to the uk next year ?
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on September 15, 2014, 17:54:01 PM
Well done Pete, that's looking very nice and sounds great to :2tu: you must be over the moon with it.

Maybe a trip to the uk next year ?
Thanks Lemon-Ade!
How knows, where we are next summer. But this curve today. Only boost 0,37 bar (turbo housing, plenum little low this)  Stock injectors, but fuelpressure is 4.0bar and FSE regulator 1.7X
No monster, but torque start fine.
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/Teholappu2014_zpsf8f8c931.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/Teholappu2014_zpsf8f8c931.jpg.html)
Next bigger injectors, maybe RE85 fuel and boost.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri v8 driver on September 15, 2014, 19:02:05 PM
The engine response very good to even low boost.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on September 15, 2014, 20:39:53 PM
The engine response very good to even low boost.
Yes, old 4.3 engine 2000rpm about 175nm and this is 285nm.  :mellow:
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/4012vVS3524v_zpsb9877b14.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/4012vVS3524v_zpsb9877b14.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Dave on September 21, 2014, 23:11:54 PM

Oh wow Pete I will have to come back to this & read it all as I am just off to bed.

So glad you ditched that old 4.0L Cologne & gone for this.

I don't know anyone who has achieved great results with that old boat anchor but this new engine you have.

WOW! Awesome job mate.  :2tu:
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Dave on September 23, 2014, 09:24:38 AM
Just gone through that lot from where I last saw it.

You have done a great job Pete, your machine work is always very good & I just know you're going to have better luck with this engine.

What turbo's have you gone for? & I guess there will be some internal mods planned soon.

However this engine will almost certainly out perform your old one as it is!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on October 05, 2014, 10:13:53 AM
Thanks Dave!
Now turbos is again china garret. Godspeed marked now ;D
Turbine ar .63
55.79/63.36mm

Comp. ar .60
54.28/71.32mm
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on October 12, 2014, 11:03:11 AM
The classic images today. Year 1991 and the previous owner of this car image. He has also shot a lot of pictures of the rally in the world and his name is Kari Nääntäinen. Wheels is 16" RS 7-spoke and Good Year 195x50 tyres.
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/sierraex1_zps86db17a6.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/sierraex1_zps86db17a6.jpg.html)
And I take same place phtoo yesterday. 2014.
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/SierraB5_zps09014ef5.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/SierraB5_zps09014ef5.jpg.html)(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/sierraex3_zps288f70ea.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/sierraex3_zps288f70ea.jpg.html)(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/SierraB6_zpsa3e81fea.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/SierraB6_zpsa3e81fea.jpg.html)
and park hall whit good lights to pics.(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/SierraB7_zpsf06d37af.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/SierraB7_zpsf06d37af.jpg.html)
Pete
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Dave on October 12, 2014, 22:48:25 PM
Them pictures only make it look like the cars had a respray & some different wheels.

However we all know different! :o  :2tu:

It's been a well loved car!

Turbo's are big T3's then, wish you would go for something more modern mate but they should work O.K.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on November 07, 2014, 07:09:08 AM
Thanks all comments. This is power shoot out video low boost because orginal injectors.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on November 16, 2014, 08:22:28 AM
In car video and bad quality. But feeling is good.
better videos
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: whiteestate on November 16, 2014, 11:52:19 AM
Looks good very nice and looks so smooth  :2tu:
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on November 20, 2014, 15:44:27 PM
Video again. (http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/Mobile%20Uploads/th_WP_20141120_008_zps12a436bd.mp4) (http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/Mobile%20Uploads/WP_20141120_008_zps12a436bd.mp4)
I think that arise boy who wants to play every time I drive by this
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Lemon-Ade on December 01, 2014, 20:04:38 PM
Sounds strong  :thumbsup: well done mate
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on December 09, 2014, 08:10:47 AM
I write Santa Claus letter.
dear Santa Claus. I hope gift short ev14 injectors about 1000cc and flexifuel sensor
Regards
Pete (I've been Very good boy this year)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on December 31, 2014, 19:13:43 PM
Happy new year everybody! Thanks this year all comments!
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: fordrwd4ever on December 31, 2014, 19:51:17 PM
A bit early,but also a good new year (and keep working on your car as it's a very nice one
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on January 18, 2015, 18:40:46 PM
Thanks.
Today I assembly 1300cc ev14 injectors and adjust idle.ve table. Very nice run idle again. Good injectors. Stock injectors ~245cc.
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on February 15, 2015, 18:24:56 PM
Winter pic and new wheels.  :mellow:
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/WP_20150215_19_14_05_Pro_zps9ff1121a.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/WP_20150215_19_14_05_Pro_zps9ff1121a.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on April 06, 2015, 11:30:48 AM
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/WP_20150405_19_09_14_Pro_zps4b163caf.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/WP_20150405_19_09_14_Pro_zps4b163caf.jpg.html)
This is wheel Power. Re85 fuel and 1.0bar boost.
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/WP_20150405_19_09_45_Pro_zpse6eb312a.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/WP_20150405_19_09_45_Pro_zpse6eb312a.jpg.html)
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/th_WP_20150405_15_34_40_Pro_zps40231d3f.mp4) (http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/WP_20150405_15_34_40_Pro_zps40231d3f.mp4)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on April 09, 2015, 20:49:15 PM
Shoot out video. better quolity->
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri v8 driver on April 10, 2015, 07:57:06 AM
very good results from a stock 3.5.  ;D
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Dave on April 13, 2015, 22:21:18 PM

Very good Pete.

It's doing exactly what it should do.

I think STD they are about 260bhp & 250 lbs/ft.

1 bar doubles it unless there is a problem.

So 535bhp & 506 lbs/ft at the wheels is fantastic! :2tu:
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on June 18, 2015, 15:16:36 PM
I order h-beam rods and JE forged pistons. Old rods stories the end.
About 1.3bar /7200rpm (http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/AEF8BCCF-6E8C-4AA9-BB5B-DEBEEA7E8940_zpsnabatvkk.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/AEF8BCCF-6E8C-4AA9-BB5B-DEBEEA7E8940_zpsnabatvkk.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: T4T on June 18, 2015, 16:52:19 PM
Ouch !!  :o

Too much cylinder pressure ?

Matt
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: mk2 cossie on June 18, 2015, 18:42:20 PM
At least we know what standard duratec v6 rods can stand up to  ;D
1.3bar and 7200rpm is quite good going  :o
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: Dave on September 23, 2015, 00:24:04 AM
 
Well done Pete always pushing it.  :mellow:

Thank god it didn't let go.



I have started on it by the way.

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Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on November 16, 2015, 05:49:49 AM

Well done Pete always pushing it.  :mellow:

Thank god it didn't let go.



I have started on it by the way.

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Nice !  :2tu:
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri v8 driver on November 16, 2015, 08:18:02 AM
Now thats a girdle  ;D Top job!
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on January 12, 2016, 16:19:58 PM
New yeards and new games.
Now we ported heads and look this.
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/sierra/EC1BA111-EB9A-484A-8BE1-E542FA56E8D0_zpsfa4qr3no.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/sierra/EC1BA111-EB9A-484A-8BE1-E542FA56E8D0_zpsfa4qr3no.jpg.html)
Maybe better or not. :)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on April 26, 2016, 07:52:27 AM
If all thinking a possibly we visiter (again) next summer a Ford Fair days this car. Let's see.
Travel About 2500km
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/Mobile%20Uploads/D3C4AFD8-B3CB-45B4-A543-4CAD547949FC_zpsbt4rvpvn.png) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/Mobile%20Uploads/D3C4AFD8-B3CB-45B4-A543-4CAD547949FC_zpsbt4rvpvn.png.html)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on February 27, 2017, 12:18:56 PM
Helli avain.  🤔
Last weekend I go to icetrack days. Very funny. Ihan like it.
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/20170226_140549_zpsq6z4hgsu.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/pm00633/media/20170226_140549_zpsq6z4hgsu.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on March 03, 2017, 17:38:59 PM
New engine sound. I like it.
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/Mobile%20Uploads/th_50013410274__BEFCCD0B-B3C7-411F-A1BB-68FAC358C1A9_zpsf6n5qizs.mp4) (http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x148/pm00633/Mobile%20Uploads/50013410274__BEFCCD0B-B3C7-411F-A1BB-68FAC358C1A9_zpsf6n5qizs.mp4)
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on December 22, 2018, 20:05:14 PM
Greetings From Finland again!
I've had a little bit of work and I haven't been here. Here's a couple of crazy things this summer.
My Focus St200 V6 wintercar
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181222/6380009b2dab3d423a5fcc3fc6491e04.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181222/254deba1951adc68af41f693f811bda5.jpg)

And my one trackday setup btcc look Mondeo
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181222/5116a306c01231bb0f9a3e289c58b70c.jpg)


(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181222/29a693be081e5a8721fc51940812394e.jpg)

But after that I also built Sierra.
New turbo tdO4hl-18 7 # and motor bearings king racing x
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181222/0dcaebf20a47a63e4f49407de889aa8c.jpg)
and build GPS speedometer (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181222/66feff6c721139bb24de77a7760f6ca1.jpg)
A hot quick look at my garage
Pete



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Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on December 23, 2018, 12:43:46 PM
And inside look today that.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181223/8da52bbae7768eb27672d5805352a327.jpg)


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Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri v8 driver on December 24, 2018, 05:42:10 AM
I love the focus with the v6 :2tu: :2tu:
Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on December 24, 2018, 08:34:26 AM
I love the focus with the v6 :2tu: :2tu:
Thank You , I like it too item.
Next I install 3.0 engine on it.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181224/e0b4d3a22312c980fd8aa51833eea00f.jpg)


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Title: Hello from Finland!
Post by: puuhapete on December 24, 2018, 08:41:05 AM
Happy Christmas for everyone!
Double hearts for you!

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Title: Re: Hello from Finland!
Post by: capri v8 driver on December 26, 2018, 08:42:36 AM
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Happy Christmas for everyone!
Double hearts for you!

You and your family have a nice Christmas and a happy new year.